Why?In post 1474, Prism wrote:If Eager flips scum Gamma is going next.
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LUV is unlikely to be scum, I know his play is terrible but that's more likely to come from VI. Scum have day chat.
Best course of action would be to bus eager.
I still think it's PP/GE/Eager.
Eager attacked boring but not PP(might be wrong on this have to cross check) for starughtaway jumping in his wagon after my CC.ShowThe shadows betray you, because they serve me.
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Might be a bit preemptive but that was more an instinctual reaction to seeing the L-1 back and forth which came off very forced from both sides, combined with Gamma hopping on/off Eager like his vote was a pogo stick.In post 1475, nn30 wrote:Why?
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nn can you hammer then? I'm dying to see that red flip.ShowThe shadows betray you, because they serve me.
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Sorry for the absence.
I will be able to catch up tomorrow.
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I will get killed tonight, remember what I said about [boring, nn, Grendel, zoro, dier] all being town. Shouldn't be lynched and no need to waste night actions on them.
Eliminate LUV from that because of how he keeps scum reading me, its terrible scum play.
Eager's buddies are among the rest.ShowThe shadows betray you, because they serve me.
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@Grendel hammer away, you can catch up at night.ShowThe shadows betray you, because they serve me.
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You are dense if you think scum would be that obvious.In post 1477, Shadow_step wrote:LUV is unlikely to be scum, I know his play is terrible but that's more likely to come from VI. Scum have day chat.
Best course of action would be to bus eager.
I still think it's PP/GE/Eager.
Eager attacked boring but not PP(might be wrong on this have to cross check) for starughtaway jumping in his wagon after my CC.<Embrace The Void>
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Dude, VC is right there, even though I forgot it's really f'in obvious.In post 1472, eagerSnake wrote:Oh yeah, you forgot yeah right<Embrace The Void>
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I think LUV has been lurky, beetlegeuse-ish, and unoriginal throughout the game. It's really easy to float to day 1 or day 2 in order to give your teammates something to bus, and that matches his behavior. When he was getting heat, he basically disappeared until people moved onto someone else.In post 1460, Zoronos wrote:
This is kinda reasonable...In post 1452, boring wrote:In post 1437, Zoronos wrote:@Boring - You didn't answer the question I posed last night. The short version was "Who is your best non-Eager scum read, if you want you can assume Eager is scum for the sake of this exercise."
I would like to lynch eager today, but if it's absolutely not going to happen, I'd be willing to settle for LUV. He's the most probable scum when I look outside the CC-related wagons. By that, I mean it seems like regardless of eager's flip, LUV could be scum. I admit that part of my reasoning is that he keeps trying to push S_s, which is making zero sense to me. That, and his eagerness to accept bizarre theories just to keep the S_s suspicions going.In post 1444, MariaR wrote: Hm I see your point but I don't see any other better lynches then LUV and that clearly isn't happening
Talk to me some more about his contributions. I am going to ignore last night's "wtf is this" bullshit-a-thon for this purpose. Those posts were bad and dumb we both agree, talk to me about his posts from before then.
Also, which alignment do you think is more likely to go off on crazy conspiracy theories, town or scum?
As far as who is more likely to come up with (and follow) crazy theories, I think it's pretty individual. Some people have wild imaginations and are prone to conspiracy. Some people aren't. I can see such a person coming up with something crazy as town or scum (perhaps more likely as town, but how would they know it's crazy as scum if they think it's perfectly sane when they're town). I think scum (or insanely conf.biased town) is more likely to pretend to buy intosomeone else'scrazy theory hoping it'll stick.
So... Your problem is that I'm not throwing a temper-tantrum right now? I don't know about you, but I can only fire all thrusters for so long.In post 1463, implosion wrote: On the other hand, I hate to beat a dead horse of almost-everything-boring-says-sounds-scummy but I really dislike boring's reaction... again.
This is such an incredibly tepid response for someone who has been pushing eager so consistently since shadow claimed. Compare penguin's reaction, and Zoronos's reaction, and even nn who remarks that it's worth looking at his old games based on this. boring's reaction just reeks of scum who doesn't know how people are going to react and wants to test the waters before committing to saying something like "oh my god, only scum would possibly suggest a no lynch, can we please lynch him already." Which I would expect from town-boring here (obviously not in those words but etc).boring wrote:So, rather than lynching scum (or at the very least learning from a town flip), you're suggesting we give them a free night kill, and start this mess up again tomorrow? We're better off lynching today. Even if it turns out to be me (though I'd hardly call that "plan A").
That paragraph from boring does not read like town talking to their top scumread. It does not read like town with a strong investment in lynching the person they are talking to. I could buy it as town talking to someone that they're trying to make up their mind on. But I can't buy it as town talking to their top scumread. It just sounds like detached, rehearsed advice.
It's been days, and eager isn't lynched yet. I've not had a whole lot of time for this game, but unless I'm mistaken, this CC situation has been analyzed, in depth. I'm not the only person on his wagon, why does its push rest entirely on my shoulders?
Why should I have to use your preferred wording to make my point about his awful no-lynch idea? I made it pretty clear I found his idea scummy and that any lynch was preferable to none.
It's more than a little irritating, by the way, that you give a whole paragraph on how you do you. Apparently, you don't develop strong reads day 1 (which is generally viewed as scummy), and then segue into how my approach to in-game conversation is too civil, and therefore scum.
There are more than one scum in the game, and we don't have to stand still while we're waiting for the undecided to sift through the very ample material and decide.
But don't worry. Next time eager posts, I'm sure it'll be yet another scummy line. If I'm around, I'll be sure to maintain sub-optimal wording.-
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What I get from this is you scumread LUV for following my moon logic?In post 1487, boring wrote:As far as who is more likely to come up with (and follow) crazy theories, I think it's pretty individual. Some people have wild imaginations and are prone to conspiracy. Some people aren't. I can see such a person coming up with something crazy as town or scum (perhaps more likely as town, but how would they know it's crazy as scum if they think it's perfectly sane when they're town). I think scum (or insanely conf.biased town) is more likely to pretend to buy intosomeone else'scrazy theory hoping it'll stick.<Embrace The Void>
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It's not the source of my read, it's just another tile in the mosaic.In post 1489, Gamma Emerald wrote:
What I get from this is you scumread LUV for following my moon logic?In post 1487, boring wrote:As far as who is more likely to come up with (and follow) crazy theories, I think it's pretty individual. Some people have wild imaginations and are prone to conspiracy. Some people aren't. I can see such a person coming up with something crazy as town or scum (perhaps more likely as town, but how would they know it's crazy as scum if they think it's perfectly sane when they're town). I think scum (or insanely conf.biased town) is more likely to pretend to buy intosomeone else'scrazy theory hoping it'll stick.-
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I'm 100% confident of eager red flip plus in my reads. I will be conf town after this and scum will kill me obviously.In post 1485, nn30 wrote:@Shadow - I don't know where you got the idea you'd die tonight?ShowThe shadows betray you, because they serve me.
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Bla bla bla you might as well self hammer, all this extra time to discuss is not good for your buddies.ShowThe shadows betray you, because they serve me.
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Wait so you claim vanilla? OK.
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If I hammer, and you're wrong, can I have your word that you'll hop on the Boring train tomorrow?In post 1491, Shadow_step wrote:
I'm 100% confident of eager red flip plus in my reads. I will be conf town after this and scum will kill me obviously.In post 1485, nn30 wrote:@Shadow - I don't know where you got the idea you'd die tonight?
Reasons to do this:
If Eager turns out to be town, and you're town (by your own knowledge at least), then Boring's play has to feel super hinky. She dropped Snake from her 2nd to top town read on a whim. She believed your CC with no questions asked. Seems like she took the opportunity to get a D1 ML and ran with it.-
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This is bad play. Even as someone suspicious of Boring, lining up lynches is bad.In post 1496, nn30 wrote:If I hammer, and you're wrong, can I have your word that you'll hop on the Boring train tomorrow?
Reasons to do this:
If Eager turns out to be town, and you're town (by your own knowledge at least), then Boring's play has to feel super hinky. She dropped Snake from her 2nd to top town read on a whim. She believed your CC with no questions asked. Seems like she took the opportunity to get a D1 ML and ran with it.-
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