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Post Post #875 (ISO) » Fri Oct 14, 2016 7:23 am

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In post 871, Creature wrote:Maybe the difference is that I mentioned that in Wake's Role Madness because there were a lot of lurkers there and I could make myself look better than them there. While GuiltyLion is likely the more lurky player here, but my question is: Wouldn't he try to be himself more active if he's suggesting that?
I think if he was scum yeah he's bringing unneeded attention to himself while still lurking that seems more towny then scummy
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Post Post #876 (ISO) » Fri Oct 14, 2016 7:24 am

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No I'm less sure about Expedience now. That's a scumlean not a full scumread.
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Post Post #877 (ISO) » Fri Oct 14, 2016 7:25 am

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In post 872, Creature wrote:Thought we agreed that Gamma's reaction earlier the day was towny. What do you think about it?
I think gamma's a good enough player to suppress an early amount of pressure as scum.
But his engagement did drop once you guys let up on him.
Feel like town are more likely to stay involved after that I dunno.

It's his play as a whole though like I don't think he's trying to sort the game.
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Post Post #878 (ISO) » Fri Oct 14, 2016 7:25 am

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In post 874, Grapevine wrote:Okay again like. Why do you read people based on playstyle when gamma's playstyle isn't the hardest thing in the world to fake in the first place and why do you shrug off the hardest thing for scum to convincingly fake consistently.

Like look at gamma's reads and there progression.
In particular his scumreads.

Dunn's scum.
Expedience is scum.

Neither of those reads got any movement at all and the baseline reasoning was entirely bad to the point where the solid conviction he has there doesn't seem to stack up. Especially so when you apply that to what his priority is in posting so far.

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Post Post #879 (ISO) » Fri Oct 14, 2016 7:27 am

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I'm more trying to generally interact with everyone this game, try to get reads on everyone.
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Post Post #880 (ISO) » Fri Oct 14, 2016 7:28 am

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In post 870, Stargazers wrote:
In post 234, Stargazers wrote:
In post 153, SlySly wrote:
In post 152, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 150, SlySly wrote:It's more serious than my RVS, but not by a lot.
You didn't answer the actual question.
Actually, that did answer the question, but I'll elaborate.

You've been talking non-stop. Spamming is a scum tactic. I'm not necessarily reading you as scum, but you have a LOT of posts already only 7 pages into a mini.

I'm perfectly fine with being on your wagon right now. Pressure is good and likely to bring info that will help form true reads.
I really really hate this post yes you're right spamming is a scum tactic just like making long paragraphs is a scum tactic just like ate is a scum tactic see the point?

Everything can be used as a scum tactic I would just think you're over thinking into this but it seems like you're lightly pushing and trying to get the vibe of "Gamma isn't town" but not scumreading him yet
Pressure is a thing in games yes but doing it for reads is something I hate because people may not have strong reads right away and just forcing someone to out them via pressure can go south very fast
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This was my reasoning behind that post but maybe I'm just hitting air~Maria
You made a good argument to why it's a bad post, but I'm not really seeing what makes it scummy.
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Post Post #881 (ISO) » Fri Oct 14, 2016 7:29 am

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In post 880, Infinity 324 wrote:
In post 870, Stargazers wrote:
In post 234, Stargazers wrote:
In post 153, SlySly wrote:
In post 152, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 150, SlySly wrote:It's more serious than my RVS, but not by a lot.
You didn't answer the actual question.
Actually, that did answer the question, but I'll elaborate.

You've been talking non-stop. Spamming is a scum tactic. I'm not necessarily reading you as scum, but you have a LOT of posts already only 7 pages into a mini.

I'm perfectly fine with being on your wagon right now. Pressure is good and likely to bring info that will help form true reads.
I really really hate this post yes you're right spamming is a scum tactic just like making long paragraphs is a scum tactic just like ate is a scum tactic see the point?

Everything can be used as a scum tactic I would just think you're over thinking into this but it seems like you're lightly pushing and trying to get the vibe of "Gamma isn't town" but not scumreading him yet
Pressure is a thing in games yes but doing it for reads is something I hate because people may not have strong reads right away and just forcing someone to out them via pressure can go south very fast
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This was my reasoning behind that post but maybe I'm just hitting air~Maria
You made a good argument to why it's a bad post, but I'm not really seeing what makes it scummy.
I think he wanted us to not townread Gamma with the most without him himself saying Gamma is scummy.
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Post Post #882 (ISO) » Fri Oct 14, 2016 7:34 am

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In post 874, Grapevine wrote:Why do you read people based on playstyle when gamma's playstyle isn't the hardest thing in the world to fake in the first place
Gamma's playstyle seems like a dumb thing to fake, I think it would draw negative attention to himself. For example I always get scumread as town, so when I'm scum I don't bother trying to fake my town play. I feel like gamma would be the same way

PEdit: yeah but why can't it just be town saying "this is slightly scummy"

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Post Post #883 (ISO) » Fri Oct 14, 2016 7:44 am

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I guess what I mean is that when you're concise there's not much you need to put effort into faking from the real thing anyway.
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Post Post #884 (ISO) » Fri Oct 14, 2016 7:47 am

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I hate townreading Varsoon.

I wanted a payback lynch.
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Post Post #885 (ISO) » Fri Oct 14, 2016 7:59 am

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I could lynch Panther too, actually.

His ISO feels like commentary.
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Post Post #886 (ISO) » Fri Oct 14, 2016 8:00 am

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In post 884, House wrote:I hate townreading Varsoon.

I wanted a payback lynch.
What?
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Post Post #887 (ISO) » Fri Oct 14, 2016 8:02 am

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In post 578, House wrote:
In post 575, Infinity 324 wrote:But now it could be scum just doing busy work so idk.
And this is bullshit anyways.

Dunn was voting me for calling him a VI so I was rubbing his nose in the fact that it was you doing that.
I wasn't voting you for that. I was talking about Infinity being dumb (but not scum) for doing that, and so switched my vote back to you
In post 633, Gamma Emerald wrote:Thinking Expedience and Dunnstral are scum rn.
I know you really want me to be scum but...

Also your reazoning for thinking I'm scum is because I voted stargazers once and that's it? Get over yourself
In post 674, PantherPunt wrote:so the subject needs to be killed. I was warning him that it was borderline breachy
I don't think it was borderline anything and it definitely wasn't intended like that

But ok
In post 714, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 713, Grapevine wrote:
In post 709, Gamma Emerald wrote:SlySly
Why is sly so high?
I don't see much scum motivation in him.
lol

he's not doing anything at all
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Post Post #888 (ISO) » Fri Oct 14, 2016 8:02 am

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In post 886, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 884, House wrote:I hate townreading Varsoon.

I wanted a payback lynch.
What?
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Post Post #889 (ISO) » Fri Oct 14, 2016 8:04 am

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In post 754, Infinity 324 wrote:
In post 740, PantherPunt wrote:
In post 731, Infinity 324 wrote: Thing is, you can be smart without showing it. Smart scum have motivation to play up their smartness and/or make it more visible.
Well then it sounds like a player specific thing then where someone sounds particularly smarter as scum. And doesn't as town. Or, meta, if you will.

Maybe if you're wondering about that, you can ask players in the game who have played with me, or check out some completed games.
That reminds me

If anyone has played with panther and knows something about this, speak up

If not, I may or may not look into it in the future
Seems normal to me. Definitely not something he turned on for being scum. Worried about the borderline borderline thing as that may have been trying to fake a townslip

Take a look at this game: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... ct[]=26301 or rather, panther's iso, at least near the beginning where he replaced in
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Post Post #890 (ISO) » Fri Oct 14, 2016 8:05 am

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@Gamma I really need you to explain your scumread on me. You were asked to before and dodged it
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Post Post #891 (ISO) » Fri Oct 14, 2016 8:20 am

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I don't understand how gamma can say I'm scum every other post but just quotes a post of me voting stargazers as the reason
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Post Post #892 (ISO) » Fri Oct 14, 2016 8:24 am

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In post 891, Dunnstral wrote:I don't understand how gamma can say I'm scum every other post but just quotes a post of me voting stargazers as the reason
He also said expedience has no original thoughts and copy/pastes how reads and is scum. Now scum lean. But all based on an initial readslist
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Post Post #893 (ISO) » Fri Oct 14, 2016 8:26 am

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Wished there were someone who knew Expedience better.
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Post Post #894 (ISO) » Fri Oct 14, 2016 8:27 am

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Point is, reads seem pretty baseless, and anytime anyone questions him on things he's just "oh yeah my bad you're right"
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Post Post #895 (ISO) » Fri Oct 14, 2016 8:29 am

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@infinity ,have you got any scum reads yet? Anymore than your wishy washy read on creature?
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Post Post #896 (ISO) » Fri Oct 14, 2016 8:32 am

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Post Post #897 (ISO) » Fri Oct 14, 2016 8:41 am

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In post 895, lane0168 wrote:@infinity ,have you got any scum reads yet? Anymore than your wishy washy read on creature?
No I don't have any scumreads
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Post Post #898 (ISO) » Fri Oct 14, 2016 8:42 am

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Post Post #899 (ISO) » Fri Oct 14, 2016 9:10 am

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In post 890, Dunnstral wrote:@Gamma I really need you to explain your scumread on me. You were asked to before and dodged it
Your vote seemed like you were trying to be like "oh hey I see you scumread this person vote them not me".
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