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[Infinity 324]

Oh man

[Infinity 324]

Focusing on a single or a few posts to make a read is stupid. Arguments like "town would never say that" are almost always invalid because town have said and will say pretty much anything. To a lesser extent, the same thing is true with scum. To get a good read on someone, you have to look at their body of work and see if their overall playstyle fits more with town or scum.

[House]

Focusing on a single or a few posts to make a read is stupid. Arguments like "town would never say that" are almost always invalid because town have said and will say pretty much anything. To a lesser extent, the same thing is true with scum. To get a good read on someone, you have to look at their body of work and see if their overall playstyle fits more with town or scum.

And now you've resorted to misrepping my play.

I showed clear manipulation in Gamma's thought processes, nowhere did I say, "town wouldn't say that".

You yourself said my read should have been lower on his list than Guilty's and blatantly ignored me when I showed the opposite happened.

[House]

To get a good read on someone, you have to look at their body of work and see if their overall playstyle fits more with town or scum.

So you don't believe that scum can maintain a town facade and only slip up a time or two?

Explain the large win percentage for mafia, then.

[Infinity 324]

First of all, your argument is essentially based off of "town wouldn't say that". I ISOd gamma and came up with an overall reading of his playstyle as town and you came it with this single point, as if that weighs more heavily than all of gamma's other actions.

And I never said your read should be lower than guilty's. Actually, I specifically said that the "slightly lower" part was in comparison to the read increase that would occur if guilty was confirmed town, not in comparison to guilty's read, and that if gamma weighted guilty's tell enough, it would be logical to increase you from null to higher than guilty. But apparently you ignored all that.

[Infinity 324]

To get a good read on someone, you have to look at their body of work and see if their overall playstyle fits more with town or scum.

So you don't believe that scum can maintain a town facade and only slip up a time or two?

Explain the large win percentage for mafia, then.

It's because people pick on small things instead of looking at the bigger picture

But seriously, I find that in general good scum players tend to look over all their posts carefully anyway, so they're rarely foiled by small logical inconsistencies. Rather, the way scum get caught is that they're simply not as good/not in as good of a mindset for the whole game or an extended period.

[House]

First of all, your argument is essentially based off of "town wouldn't say that".

Bullshit, it's based off "town wouldn't trust a NULL READ to vouch for a HARD TOWN READ that was null before the vouch.

That's not what he's saying, it's what he's THINKING, it makes absolutely zero sense.

[Infinity 324]

First of all, your argument is essentially based off of "town wouldn't say that".

Bullshit, it's based off "town wouldn't trust a NULL READ to vouch for a HARD TOWN READ that was null before the vouch.

That's not what he's saying, it's what he's THINKING, it makes absolutely zero sense.

Semantics

It's the same idea

And it makes sense if you listen to the logic which you don't seem to be listening to

Again, I'll math it out for you if you want

[Infinity 324]

I mean, there are some things in there which aren't so logical

Like the fact that he trusts the tell

so much

, or that he's basing his entire read off of that

But sometimes town aren't logical

[SlySly]

Semantics

One of scum's favorite things.

[Infinity 324]

Can you explain the supposed "scum claim"

[Gamma Emerald]

ISOd gamma again

In two whole minutes?

Puh-leez

No, I started it earlier and finished it in between posting

Alrighty then, perhaps you can explain something, since he couldn't.

Why did he upgrade his neutral read on Guilty when I called him out for trusting a neutral read to vouch for a town read?

Even when he upgraded his read, it was only to town lean... But he put me at hard town based on a newly (after the fact) minted town

lean

's word?

Perhaps you can help me understand how that could come from a mindset other than manipulation.

I'll let gamma explain that

But scum usually don't do obviously terrible shit like that. Obviously from scum!gamma's perspective saying that won't get you to stop pushing the issue, so why even say it

As for the hard town vs. town lean thing, I already explain that. Town lean means percentage wise, a very high chance to be town, and therefore a very high chance to be able to trust him on the read. If guilty is scum, you're not necessarily scum, but if guilty is town you are more likely to be town. So it makes sense for you to go up in his reads regardless

Infinity hit the nail on the head here, It made the most sense for both to be town, anyway I'm going to try to get over that issue because it's a massive headache.

[Gamma Emerald]

@Gamma Explain your read on me, and what you think about my sudden "flip" on you

This never got answered

My read on you is better since you reconsidered your read on me. Shows you're not having stale reads.

[Infinity 324]

Ok but why were you leaning scum on me originally and what's your conclusion now

[Gamma Emerald]

Your early ISO looked like you were mudslinging a bit, now it feels like you were pushing to form reads.

[SlySly]

Can you explain the supposed "scum claim"

First, I fixed it to a slip.

Except I think grapevine and gazers are town

Stargazers scum

claimed

slipped.

Fixed.

In the bolded we see stream of consciousness posting from scum from the perspective that both with flip town and setting up other townies to be mislynched later in both cases.
I'll translate because scum like to keep it hard to read:
1. When gamma flips town, Sly's head rolls
2. When Sly flips town, Creature's head rolls (like how i didn't include house in the example?)

*Marks house as VI*
I know our lynch tomorrow!
~Maria

Who

If gamma gets lynched Sly if Sly gets lynched Creature or house

Scum claim. LOL. Because Stargazers knows Sly and Gamma are both gonna flip town.

[Infinity 324]

I don't see why it can't come from town just as easily

[SlySly]

It's easier when you're the town under fire.

[Gamma Emerald]

Sly puts up something to consider about StarGazers. I'm definitely feeling better on him.
UNVOTE: SlySly
Will look at the existing wagons and vote the biggest wagon that is on a scumread(unless it's L-2 or closer, then I'll think on it a bit)

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: PantherPunt
I've been not so fond of this guy for a while.

[Stargazers]

Excuse me? Holy talk about taking a post out of context you manipulative guy

If gamma gets lynched Sly if Sly gets lynched Creature or house

You clearly "forgot" to take in how I feel about these reads
I think Gamma is town so if he gets lynched I expect him to flip town and I'd move on to my next biggest sr (Sly) I don't see how that is calling him town in any sense
If Sly gets lynched I expect him to flip scum and I would go onto my next biggest sr's who I can see being partners with Sly also (Creature and House)
~Maria

[Gamma Emerald]

Okay that makes a lot more sense, but Sly made a honest misinterpretation.

[SlySly]

You clearly "forgot" to take in how I feel about these reads

I didn't forget, I left House out because I knew that's who you were bussing.

[Gamma Emerald]

@StarGazers:
It seems out of both of you, Maria has been more active. What is Nahdia's thoughts on things?

[Stargazers]

If you didn't forget that means you were trying to make something into a scumslip that clearly wasn't one at all
what do you mean bussing?
~Maria
Pedit: She's been quite busy but I'm trying to get her to come on tonight or tomorrow