Mini 1837: Family Mafia (GAME OVER)

[UpTooLate]

Vote Count 3.06

Ranmaru - [1] Camn
Elyse - [2] Ranmaru, Dramonic
Dramonic - [3] Nachomamma8, House, gigabyteTroubadour
Camn -
SirCakez -
House -
gigabyteTroubadour - [1] Elyse
Nachomamma8 - [1] SirCakez

Not Voting -

With

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alive it takes

5

to lynch!

Mod Notes - Pagetops are a great way to start the morning! Happy Monday!

Day 3 ends in (expired on 2016-10-29 13:25:43).

[camn]

Ok, nacho.
I've decided I will believe in you. I have been worrying that you were going to break my heart... But if strong townie logic doesn't win the day, what does? If you want an Elyse lynch you can have my vote.

Cakez- I promise you I am town. And the longer I stay unclaimed AND unproven, the better. Right now the scum are scared to nightkill me, because of the uncertainty, both in my role and my lynchability. I like it that way... So let's keep it that way, k?

[Ranmaru]

As a case, this is incomplete.

You mean where I don't explain the relevance of the links? I did that purposely. I tried to keep it short and nice, showing what I thought was scum, instead of fully explaining it. This was my attempt at generally staying at a gut-level but it didn't work as the game moved along.

She put Giga on the shortlist for culling on something that seemed legitimate, but only because Postie seemed like she had a problem with, she along with it. Her #328 is suspicious since Elyse caught her with a good question and Camn had a hard time explaining it. She stated she was giving you a D1 pass yet she threw that away and was fine with joining your wagon. Her #407 shows her trying to shade House when she has been budding him earlier. For that reason, her budding of house doesn't seem genuine. (She also liked the Nacho wagon before he voted on it) Her culling comment seemed minorly opportunistic, and her decision to switch on you was opportunistic. Her votes were on lynchbait, and I think scum would prefer those over others as it's easier to target them then others who have seemed townier. Her claiming PGO reeks of scum who wants to have a reason for staying alive for the night when she's been yelling that she'd be nk'd. I think she's looking for reasons to paint people as scummy [Giga], shading [House], and has a hard time explaining her 180 on [Nacho].

[Ranmaru]

I'd rather lynch camn then Elyse if a Nacho lynch won't come together (again )

I'm down to wagon Camn over Elyse.

[Ranmaru]

VOTE: Dramonic

still reading btw

How's the read going?

[Ranmaru]

VOTE: dramonic

Proxy.

Any stances or thoughts from recent events?

[UpTooLate]

Searching for a replacement for House.

[UpTooLate]

Gamma Emerald replaces House! Please welcome them!

[Gamma Emerald]

Hello, will work on rereading.

[Gamma Emerald]

Actually if I could get a summary that would be sweet.

[Gamma Emerald]

OK looking though a few ISOs I see SirCakez is cop, camn is doc. Are there any other claims? Also, what is the case on Elyse and Dramonic?

[Ranmaru]

So I have been re-reading Kraska. I read my #912 and was reminded that Kraska never actually responded to Elyse's second question. That gives Elyse town points. Nacho still has the concern of asking Kraska a question and concluding it after 50 posts. Kraska added her vote to a failing wagon, but she has been pressing on Elyse for quite a bit. Asking her for reads, continuing to talk about her. I think Elyse gave good points in her #1367. Kraska reads as scum who is having trouble getting any reads so she wagons onto Elyse with bad reasoning. She also states Cake's interaction with Nacho being genuine but never states Cakes as a read. In her #351 she asks Elyse for reads but not Nacho, who she had as iffy at the time. Nacho was pushing solely on Elyse at the time and had no other reads, so why focus on Elyse to give more reads than nacho and not the other way around as well?

Elyse - slight town
House - need more from his slot
Giga - need more from his slot
Cakes - Town
Dram - need more from this slot
Nacho - Slight scum
Camn - scum

Unvote; Vote: Camn

I'm also willing to wagon Nacho.

[Ranmaru]

The argument she is making against me is that I am struggling to distance myself from the early Kraska push early.

I find this an absolutely ridiculous assertion because it was page fucking 3 and you don't need to spend significant effort distancing from an opinion on page fucking 3

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My conclusion is that Elyse had something going yet over-stretched and gave Nacho ammo to attack her. His explanation here isn't suitable for me. It isn't valid reasoning, simply because scum don't 'need to' distance on page 3 doesn't mean they won't do it. She asked Kraska a question that Kraska never answered, therefore not closing the interaction between them. If they were both scum I would expect their interaction to be calculated, and finished. Elyse also asked her a good question there. Nacho did seem like he had an awkward interaction with Kraska, and never concluded it until 50 posts later. It was as if he was waiting for reactions/others opinions before considering his option here.

[Ranmaru]

Welcome Gamma.

[Ranmaru]

I expect you to catch up with your own thoughts here, no summary.

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm currently reading the mason's ISOs. I've already gone through Papa Zito, now for the person who was masons with him.

[camn]

What's your case, Ranmaru?

If you are town... then trust me - I am not the lynch today. At most I claim, which is suboptimal for town. But if you have concerns, lay them out.

If you are scum...welcome to hell

[camn]

Also - for the real Townies:
Ranmaru has a townreads on Cakez and Elyse. The rest are null or "scum reads". And his Elyse read is "slight"

Having 5/7 to 6/7 of the town on your lynchable list is a solid scum strategy. Don't have to risk getting called out on flipflopping that way.

[Gamma Emerald]

Yeah it's Day 3: having a bunch of null/scum is BAD. I'm going to unvote for now and if I don't find Elyse or Dramonic scummier I'm voting Ranmaru.
UNVOTE:

[Ranmaru]

House:

Votes Kraska #8
Votes Dram #10
Votes Spicy #17

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Votes Nacho #95 (following cakes)
Votes spicy again #103
Unvotes #464
Votes Hiplop #466
Votes Nacho again #530 (Elyse town)
Votes Hiplop #584
Votes Spicy #719
Votes Postie #738
Votes Spicy #896
Votes Spicy #968
Votes Kraska #998
Votes Camn #1252
Votes Dram as proxy #1346

Now, house has been pretty active. Yet, he has had no push of his own. Or, he'd be voting stragglers when they couldn't really answer for themselves. (Hiplop) His two Nacho votes were both sheeps (Onto Sircakes, then on Elyse) #729 He states that he won't vote Elyse, Nacho, Camn, or sircakes. #641 This is to give his buddy within that pool, a chance to live to D2 without him giving a direct stance. His vote on Postie was a sheep on me. His vote on Dram was proxy. (Which wasn't even trying) I caught House with his pants down in my #1388. He then asks Elyse a question in his #1339. This shows he was lazy and my question to him reminded him he should be trying to determine her alignment. He was in the middle of reviewing Elyse and never concluded his stances. When Camn was making her push on me a page back, House only posted in jokes, not stances on what happened on that page. It's so he could keep his town read on me and whatever stance he had on Camn. I pressed him to give a stance and he replaced out.

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Yeah it's Day 3:

having a bunch of null/scum is BAD

. I'm going to unvote for now and if I don't find Elyse or Dramonic scummier I'm voting Ranmaru.
UNVOTE:

The underlined sounds forced. If he has actually caught up and read closely, he'd understand why I would have nulls. This also shows that he is paying attention more to the current events and not really reading to catch up because he has no need to, he already has targets in mind.

FOS: House/Gamma

[Ranmaru]

I am not willing to wagon Nacho anymore.

[Nachomamma8]

Ranmaru you're killing me softly

[Nachomamma8]

Having 5/7 to 6/7 of the town on your lynchable list is a solid scum strategy. Don't have to risk getting called out on flipflopping that way.

If his strategy is to avoid flipflopping, then why is he flipflopping like a madman?

[Ranmaru]

Nacho, I have told you I was working on developing my reads. Gamma's latest post is what I needed. Giga is still re-reading.

I think it's Camn/Gamma.

[UpTooLate]

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