The Thing Mafia - Game over!

[Fire Assassin]

You going to answer why you aren't going to explain your reads Gen X? I'll even give you time to come up with a reason 'cause it's bedtime for me. Alternately you could just say a couple of words on why you hold the reads you do.

p-edit: FA you are so bad at reading me it isn't even funny. When I flip town, I hope the rest of town looks hard at you.

If you aren't scum can you stop posting as if you are? Cause I swear the number of times a scum player has said "you have no clue how to read me" is off the charts.

[Wraith]

Alright the debate's over so I can get started on this before I go to bed.

First I'm gonna post my thoughts on where scum might be among the draft pick numbers. This could easily be meaningless, but eh, not much to go on at this point in the game.

Espeonage - 1 (1st)
drealmerz7 - 1 (2nd)
DiamondSentinel - 1 (3rd)

SpyreX - 6 (1st)
Spiffeh - 6 (2nd)
PeregrineV - 6 (3rd)
Skybird - 6 (4th)

Tammy - 3 (1st)
Yume - 3 (2nd)
Goatmeal – 5
Andrius - 8 (1st)
MagnaOfIllusion - 8 (2nd)
Fire Assassin – 9

I think the notion that there is very likely one scum among those who picked 1 has at least some merit even if the rest is potentially meaningless.

So that said, coincidentally someone in the 1s is my top scumread at the moment.

Vote: drealmerz

His first post in the thread, coming in the middle of several players speculating on how scum would pick draft numbers and generally agreeing scum would have at least one person pick 1:

ugh, I was going to go for 7

I always go for 7

bad start

1? why would I pick 1? NOOO ):

He has also been generally against the town coordinating Night Actions. This excerpt in particular stuck out to me:

Wraith - are you immediately against anyone who doesn't want to coordinate? I'm wary of it to say the least - a flood issues with it come to me, and I'm not sure where to begin. I guess I'll start on a personal level. While I'm all about working together and it being a team game (I love this aspect of mafia and am often think people need to play more team-centered), but when it comes down to it, my choice is my choice, and I buck at anyone trying to have ultimate control or say over my choice and then holding it against me simply for not going with what "everyone else" or the person in charge or whatever thought was better. Sure, take issue with my choice and give me reasons why it is scummy to you, but don't generalize the decision to make a personal choice into scummy behavior.

This screamed to me of scum sowing seeds for a future excuse for why they didn't do what they were instructed to do at night. This post was in a similar vein:

I keep looking at these roles and I'm like:

"really? people want to coordinate this shit? that just seems so boring. and tedious. and blah."

just honest thoughts, folks

I'd rather just play the game straight.

He made a post here where he suspected Tammy for reasons I am very skeptical of:

You had previously expressed an unfamiliarity with the list that I found surprising (note: I'm horrible at going back and finding who said what where, but, I'll work at getting better at it), and then when it actually came to the moments right before you selected, you seemed still unfamiliar (although a bit more so than previously) more than I would have thought a player would be at that point.

It almost reads to me like a Thing who didn't pay much attention to the list, read it once and saw a handful of "ohya, we Things must have these roles", you placed them in a preference list, then made a show of it when it came your turn.

I'm not decidedly reading all of that or anything hard at all, it's just a potentiality I will keep in mind as things form moving forward.

As you said, a personality difference perhaps, but, I still kind of view it as anti-town at least to not get a good grip on the roles if they're available to do so with. Also note that the fact that spiffeh also did not form a draft list doesn't necessarily give me warm-fuzzies when he says it reference to an exchange I had with you, considering the previous exchange about the tree-stump stuff.

If anything, the scum would pay

more

attention to the specifics and strengths of each role, because they have to figure out how to circumvent the plans of the town when the town has far more actions on the board at night.

Oh and he fucking picked the Bus Driver. Someone picking the most disruptive role in the game who was making arguments against town night coordination and sowing seeds for excusing himself from town instructions screams scum to me.

[Double Trouble]

So FA is likely town. I've pretty much learned when he says something that annoys me and I find scummy he is probably town.

[Double Trouble]

So FA is likely town. I've pretty much learned when he says something that annoys me and I find scummy he is probably town.

Math here sorry rarely hydra

[Fire Assassin]

So FA is likely town. I've pretty much learned when he says something that annoys me and I find scummy he is probably town.

Should I sub out?

[Double Trouble]

One of Wraith or drealmerz is likely scum, but probably not both.

-- MathBlade

[Double Trouble]

So FA is likely town. I've pretty much learned when he says something that annoys me and I find scummy he is probably town.

Should I sub out?

No...I am saying that is the reason for my initial townread of you. Why would you sub out because I townread you?

-- Math

[Fire Assassin]

I am just curious in all hell, how you can claim somethings like that when you have never played a game with me when I was scum.
So basically you said "he is scummy and annoying every game I have played with him"

[Fire Assassin]

So FA is likely town. I've pretty much learned when he says something that annoys me and I find scummy he is probably town.

Should I sub out?

No...I am saying that is the reason for my initial townread of you. Why would you sub out because I townread you?

-- Math

Because your meta read is garbage and I am already annoyed by you saying that I was scummy in my other games.

[Fire Assassin]

I was thinking diamond was town but now I am like wtf is Double Trouble.

[Fire Assassin]

Forget my comments on Double. Will reanalyze them later in the game. Diamond posts basically makes it so I am not lynching that slot for foreseeable future.

[Double Trouble]

Because you were scummy in the prior games. E.g. Mass claim early and you are scummy here in asking Skybird to change how they post. Instead of pressuring them to see if they are scum you ask them not to post scummily if they are town.

You and I have different play styles and town can play scummy without being scum.

We disagree on playstyle. I also replaced into a game where you were scum and read it rather thoroughly. You just happened to be dead when I replaced in. To say I do not have experience with your scum game is a lie. I think this one is your town game.

-- Math

[Spiffeh]

Ok guys this is actual scum

VOTE: Goatmeal

[Spiffeh]

Draft choices should not be a consideration until we have a lot of flips

(and even then it's way too WIFOMy to be reliable)

[Fire Assassin]

What about the scummy sky bird?

[Spiffeh]

Draft choices should not be a consideration until we have a lot of flips

By this I mean the number that people selected to determine draft order

[SpyreX]

I'm actually for real serious about espionage.

[Fire Assassin]

Because you were scummy in the prior games. E.g. Mass claim early and you are scummy here in asking Skybird to change how they post. Instead of pressuring them to see if they are scum you ask them not to post scummily if they are town.

You and I have different play styles and town can play scummy without being scum.

We disagree on playstyle. I also replaced into a game where you were scum and read it rather thoroughly. You just happened to be dead when I replaced in. To say I do not have experience with your scum game is a lie. I think this one is your town game.

-- Math

I can go into this further if anyone cares but rather not, but this has now given me proof Double Trouble is town.

[Fire Assassin]

I'm actually for real serious about espionage.

Want to go into this further? His early posts pinged town to me.

[Spiffeh]

Sorry, I didn't get the memo that you get to tell me what my reads are.

Town

[SpyreX]

Its 99% that post i quoted and being a 1. Theres not more but it rings in the deep belly.

[Fire Assassin]

Sorry, I didn't get the memo that you get to tell me what my reads are.

Town

I thought it was townie too, but read the next post by hers.

[Fire Assassin]

Its 99% that post i quoted and being a 1. Theres not more but it rings in the deep belly.

I am not seeing the fakeness there.....

[SpyreX]

Maybe its just me then..like that iso its like a different player

[Fire Assassin]

Wait did the neighboring thing already go through? Guess I wasn't chosen.