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[Infinity 324]

Wait stargazers should tell creature which slot it's in and creature should hack it, if that's wrong it's a scumclaim

Well this is dumb because stargazers will just say the wrong slot and make creature waste his hack

But we should do it for future lynches imo

@dunn does stargazers have more than one item?

[Infinity 324]

2062. i like the pressing here and asking for clarification, it's something i find myself doing a lot.
i need to find time to read though, because at this point i'm missing a good portion of the game.
2079: i don't know whether to be flattered or annoyed, because i haven't put very much of myself into this game yet. :>
but seriously, what does this mean? it's not really a read so much as a statement of 'Chara isn't doing anything stupid'.

Weak defense of panther + "why are you townreading me I haven't put that much effort in" which makes more sense as scum than as town. Effort as scum means you're trying to be townread, but effort as town doesn't necessarily get you townreads (e.g. me on d1)

[Infinity 324]

@Panther What's your read on chara?

T-->S

Creature, Lane, Math, Sly, House, Expedience, Dunn, GV, Panther, Chara

[MathBlade]

Wait stargazers should tell creature which slot it's in and creature should hack it, if that's wrong it's a scumclaim

No. Horrible idea. A universal townread should hack it.
Creature could be lying scum in a fringe case.

[Infinity 324]

Wait stargazers should tell creature which slot it's in and creature should hack it, if that's wrong it's a scumclaim

No. Horrible idea. A universal townread should hack it.
Creature could be lying scum in a fringe case.

I think creature is the most likely to be town

Maybe lane could but

It doesn't matter since gazers will probably lie about it

[Firebringer]

Day 2 Vote Count 2.04

Stargazers (L-3): Creature, lane0168, Infinity324, SlySly,
SlySly (L-6): Stargazers

Not Voting (7): Mathblade, House, Dunnstral, Pantherpunt, Not Chara, Expedience, Grapevine

With 12 Alive it Takes 7 To Lynch

Searching for replacement for House.

Day Ends (expired on 2016-10-23 08:40:00)

[MathBlade]

Wait stargazers should tell creature which slot it's in and creature should hack it, if that's wrong it's a scumclaim

No. Horrible idea. A universal townread should hack it.
Creature could be lying scum in a fringe case.

I think creature is the most likely to be town

Maybe lane could but

It doesn't matter since gazers will probably lie about it

Universal means all players townread.
I do not townread Creature. I think it is most likely but until I see a flip confirming his guilty he can still be a scumbag who lied. Would rather House slot or Lane slot or myself do this if we do.

[Infinity 324]

We'll talk about that for future lynches

[MathBlade]

No. Going to work. Creature should wait because if they are town they are likely NK bait. Need someone who is townread and who would likely survive to take it if anyone does.

[Dunnstral]

Wait stargazers should tell creature which slot it's in and creature should hack it, if that's wrong it's a scumclaim

What I've been trying to do for 500 posts; pretty sure Star is just stalling at this point

[Dunnstral]

@dunn does stargazers have more than one item?

I didn't profile Stargazers, just guessed and asked them to reveal items

[Dunnstral]

Well this is dumb because stargazers will just say the wrong slot and make creature waste his hack

How much do you think a hack is worth?

[Infinity 324]

Well this is dumb because stargazers will just say the wrong slot and make creature waste his hack

How much do you think a hack is worth?

A decent amount given that you can hack players about to be lynched

But on second thought we won't have a hack for every lynch. So we can try that

[PantherPunt]

Why hasn't there been a lynch yet?

You're good ending day early when there is a slot open for replacement?

[PantherPunt]

assuming a mafia flip
rule of 3 says one of dunn/lane/math is scum
and one of house/expedience/sly/creature

but I can't tinfoil my way to a world where it's creature
sly I can tinfoil but it's tinfoil. and I really like my house read

What was the reasoning for this?

It's a spew tell

[PantherPunt]

Honestly I was kinda expecting more from panther, I don't see anything from him that can't come from scum and this shit when stargazers was already doomed is not helping

Not sure what you're expecting out of me when there's a claimed guilty and a bunch of masturbatory speculation about ways it could be borked.

By all means ask me things if you are feeling wanting

[PantherPunt]

Creature should hack stargazers I think

Wait stargazers should tell creature which slot it's in and creature should hack it, if that's wrong it's a scumclaim

I tried to talk this out with Dunn already but he didn't respond.

When a item is first received it cannot be used, you must wait 1 phase before using it. This is including if you stole an item.
For example hacking an item

day 1

that item cannot be used till night 1

Phone actions can be used during the day. Stargazers role makes no sense

I additionally submitted a profiling action to fire just now

I think I see where your head's at here and I like it

I sent him a message saying that if he hacked and blanked to tell me what slot he hacked and I'd try another. He didn't reply. Though his persistent questioning to Stargazers gave me the impression that they had an item.

Thinking about it it's pretty straightforward. If star is scum they should and probably have burnt their item if they can. If they're not they should have willingly contacted a top town read and shared the info so they could take it if it has potential future value. If that's already been done then it shouldn't be discussed by either party.

[Infinity 324]

Oh.
Embarrassing part of being in a hydra is when your partner reads a message and you don't realize you ever got it.
I had a list and I was crossing out names of people who responded and everything.
Slysly responded as prompted, I'm just a dumbass.


@NC: That's not what I'm saying at all in regards to the situation--I'm not saying the accuser and the accused are town.
I'm saying it's incredibly awkward for a player to see a guilty and then respond, "ARE YOU WILLING TO EAT A LYNCH FOR THAT GUILTY?"
Because, first of all, who the fuck would fake a guilty D2 like that?
Second of all, it establishes pressure/expectation that the accuser will be lynched should the accused flip town.
There's only two straightforward reasons to do that;
1. As scum, you know that you can set up for a situation where town lynches two townies in a row.
2. As town, you're doubtcasting the guilty claim.

Both are anti-town.
That's why I find it scummy, especially coming from Infinity, who doesn't seem to be playing in a way that behooves that sensibility as town.

As far as my reads go, I'm less confident about them in general and I need to touch base with Grapes, which I haven't done since daystart.

Let's revisit this. I don't see how this is still such a big deal for you when it relies on stargazers being town. You said you're not saying that star is town--but your argument is that I'm lining up lynches, which relies on them being town.

The purpose of the question was to resolve a doubt that came to my mind about the wagon-- that creature scum could claim a soft guilty and when stargazers flipped town, he could say "oh it wasn't a hard guilty" and get away with it. at the time I had doubts about creature. I don't think that's unreasonable.

[PantherPunt]

invisible vote on stargazers. you lynch people who have guilties on them period.

I've been binked on a frame and it's the worst but 99/100 times the person is just mafia. stargazers posts today point heavily to it- the loss of perspective being the nail in the coffin imho

but lettuce discuss more before we end the day. there are strategic considerations that need to be made.

dunn - I assume no reply from you means you have nothing to tell me

I can't believe I missed this shit the first time around

"Look at how much I'm bussing here"

At a time when grapevine is voting you and math is talking about not lynching star, it's pretty important that people be aware of the relevant details and get it through their heads that it's always correct to lynch the guilty. What did you perceive that makes you have a revelation that I'm scum bussing while others who have the same opinion as me are not

[Infinity 324]

Honestly I was kinda expecting more from panther, I don't see anything from him that can't come from scum and this shit when stargazers was already doomed is not helping

Not sure what you're expecting out of me when there's a claimed guilty and a bunch of masturbatory speculation about ways it could be borked.

By all means ask me things if you are feeling wanting

I want to know your thoughts about d1 and a readslist if you're ok with that.

[Infinity 324]

Creature should hack stargazers I think

Wait stargazers should tell creature which slot it's in and creature should hack it, if that's wrong it's a scumclaim

I tried to talk this out with Dunn already but he didn't respond.

When a item is first received it cannot be used, you must wait 1 phase before using it. This is including if you stole an item.
For example hacking an item

day 1

that item cannot be used till night 1

Phone actions can be used during the day. Stargazers role makes no sense

I additionally submitted a profiling action to fire just now

I think I see where your head's at here and I like it

I sent him a message saying that if he hacked and blanked to tell me what slot he hacked and I'd try another. He didn't reply. Though his persistent questioning to Stargazers gave me the impression that they had an item.

Thinking about it it's pretty straightforward. If star is scum they should and probably have burnt their item if they can. If they're not they should have willingly contacted a top town read and shared the info so they could take it if it has potential future value. If that's already been done then it shouldn't be discussed by either party.

Ok makes sense. We should implement that strategy in the future ^^

[Infinity 324]

invisible vote on stargazers. you lynch people who have guilties on them period.

I've been binked on a frame and it's the worst but 99/100 times the person is just mafia. stargazers posts today point heavily to it- the loss of perspective being the nail in the coffin imho

but lettuce discuss more before we end the day. there are strategic considerations that need to be made.

dunn - I assume no reply from you means you have nothing to tell me

I can't believe I missed this shit the first time around

"Look at how much I'm bussing here"

At a time when grapevine is voting you and math is talking about not lynching star, it's pretty important that people be aware of the relevant details and get it through their heads that it's always correct to lynch the guilty. What did you perceive that makes you have a revelation that I'm scum bussing while others who have the same opinion as me are not

You just kept arguing for the lynch when it was clear to me at least that stargazers was getting lynched no matter what. We don't need the vote of every single player

[PantherPunt]

Panther can you explain your reads with regards to rule of 3? I'm kinda fuzzy here.

Ya it's a tell I've observed. For some reason scum like to include a bro in their top townreads - typically one where that's popular opinion in the thread.
And like to include a bro in their top scumreads - typically one where that's popular opinion in the thread.

So when looking at Star's earlier list of reads pre-guilty, I took note. When you look at the new list it's basically static except Expedience fell out of the list which was interesting.

I like using it as a basis to look at those groupings as compared to my own reads

[PantherPunt]

Honestly I was kinda expecting more from panther, I don't see anything from him that can't come from scum and this shit when stargazers was already doomed is not helping

Not sure what you're expecting out of me when there's a claimed guilty and a bunch of masturbatory speculation about ways it could be borked.

By all means ask me things if you are feeling wanting

I want to know your thoughts about d1 and a readslist if you're ok with that.

I am but as far as d1 goes I've read the first 10 pages and then have otherwise read things via ISO. I did it up against the d1 deadline but ultimately it was me or gamma.

So I still have a lot of reading to do but I think it's more valuable to stay current and read back as I have time so I've mostly been staying current.

[Infinity 324]

Honestly I was kinda expecting more from panther, I don't see anything from him that can't come from scum and this shit when stargazers was already doomed is not helping

Not sure what you're expecting out of me when there's a claimed guilty and a bunch of masturbatory speculation about ways it could be borked.

By all means ask me things if you are feeling wanting

I want to know your thoughts about d1 and a readslist if you're ok with that.

I am but as far as d1 goes I've read the first 10 pages and then have otherwise read things via ISO. I did it up against the d1 deadline but ultimately it was me or gamma.

So I still have a lot of reading to do but I think it's more valuable to stay current and read back as I have time so I've mostly been staying current.

Ok. Hopefully you'll be able to do some of that before deadline