Open 655: Fire and Ice Mafia OVER

Firebringer · Post Post #750 (ISO) » Thu Oct 20, 2016 11:38 am

Scum quits are very rare here.
In fact replacing out in order to get your slot townread can result in ban for tactical replace out.

Lowell · Post Post #751 (ISO) » Thu Oct 20, 2016 11:40 am

Huh. Well that's a pretty damn big hint then. Wish I had known that roughly ten years ago. Maybe I wouldn't still be winless.

Io · Post Post #752 (ISO) » Thu Oct 20, 2016 12:09 pm

In post 750, Firebringer wrote:Scum quits are very rare here.
In fact replacing out in order to get your slot townread can result in ban for tactical replace out.

I didn't actually know that, I just don't like replacing out unless I have to or I just really do not want to play with some people.
I don't really see it as AI at all, but really I haven't seen anyone on this site up until now do what Hark did before. In fact I actually kind of forgot Hark did that because of how little importance I gave it until you brought it back up.

MariaR · Post Post #753 (ISO) » Thu Oct 20, 2016 12:29 pm

In post 752, Io wrote:
In post 750, Firebringer wrote:Scum quits are very rare here.
In fact replacing out in order to get your slot townread can result in ban for tactical replace out.
I didn't actually know that, I just don't like replacing out unless I have to or I just really do not want to play with some people.
I don't really see it as AI at all, but really I haven't seen anyone on this site up until now do what Hark did before. In fact I actually kind of forgot Hark did that because of how little importance I gave it until you brought it back up.

Yeah it's kinda 100% why I tr Creature.

MariaR · Post Post #754 (ISO) » Thu Oct 20, 2016 12:29 pm

Btw isn't the best play here to nl because if we lynch wrong we can go into town auto loss?

MariaR · Post Post #755 (ISO) » Thu Oct 20, 2016 12:30 pm

Yeah I think it is

VOTE: No lynch

Firebringer · Post Post #756 (ISO) » Thu Oct 20, 2016 12:31 pm

In post 754, MariaR wrote:Btw isn't the best play here to nl because if we lynch wrong we can go into town auto loss?

Ummm no?

Firebringer · Post Post #757 (ISO) » Thu Oct 20, 2016 12:32 pm

Worst case we mislynch and two town die its 2:1:1 ; you no lynch then and scum have to attempt cross kill or face potential draw/lose

MariaR · Post Post #758 (ISO) » Thu Oct 20, 2016 12:34 pm

In post 757, Firebringer wrote:Worst case we mislynch and two town die its 2:1:1 ; you no lynch then and scum have to attempt cross kill or face potential draw/lose

That seems a lot more risky then just nling.

Firebringer · Post Post #759 (ISO) » Thu Oct 20, 2016 12:35 pm

Well your wrong.

Io · Post Post #760 (ISO) » Thu Oct 20, 2016 12:38 pm

We no lynch and go into WC 3:1:1.
A mislynch there is a very high chance to lose as if just 1 of the 2 living town were killed it's game over.

Firebringer · Post Post #761 (ISO) » Thu Oct 20, 2016 12:39 pm

Not even factoring in the possibility doc saves someone or fire and ice attach same target.

Io · Post Post #762 (ISO) » Thu Oct 20, 2016 12:42 pm

Yeah we want to lynch because 3 things can happen.
Either we go down creature's path and end up at 1v1v1, we go into the night 5v1, or we go into the following day after a mislynch 3v1.
All of those scenarios are better than the 3v1v1.

Firebringer wrote:Not even factoring in the possibility doc saves someone or fire and ice attach same target.

I'm pretty sure every single match calculation made this game disreguarded doctor as being insignificant or the kills failing.
It's also worth noting doctor does add a confirmed town as well so that's pretty important.

MariaR · Post Post #763 (ISO) » Thu Oct 20, 2016 12:45 pm

Okay yeah I guess you're right SORRY! UNVOTE:

Creature · Post Post #764 (ISO) » Thu Oct 20, 2016 12:59 pm

If it's 5:1:1 or 4:1:1 we lynch anyway. If it's 3:1:1 or 1:1:1 we nolynch. If it's 2:1:1 we lynch town (aka one town member offers to get lynched).

MariaR · Post Post #765 (ISO) » Thu Oct 20, 2016 1:53 pm

OH btw if I was scum Creature would've been dead N1 I'da strong armed that kill

MariaR · Post Post #766 (ISO) » Thu Oct 20, 2016 1:54 pm

Wait doc wifom makes that point moot FK

Firebringer · Post Post #767 (ISO) » Thu Oct 20, 2016 1:59 pm

I don't think a doc would heal Creature....no offense man.

MariaR · Post Post #768 (ISO) » Thu Oct 20, 2016 2:24 pm

In post 767, Firebringer wrote:I don't think a doc would heal Creature....no offense man.

he's the townist player alive though! (only based on sub outs)

Firebringer · Post Post #769 (ISO) » Thu Oct 20, 2016 2:27 pm

I can't speak for everyone, but I protect people I think are kill targets, not because they are townie.

Firebringer · Post Post #770 (ISO) » Thu Oct 20, 2016 2:27 pm

Usually those two are related obviously.

Io · Post Post #771 (ISO) » Thu Oct 20, 2016 2:29 pm

To be fair their is a lot of trying to outguess the others between the 2 mafia's and doctor. It gets complicated fast. You really can't say "player would be dead or alive" because you have 3 people trying to avoid targeting who the others target.

Io · Post Post #772 (ISO) » Thu Oct 20, 2016 2:30 pm

In post 771, Io wrote:To be fair their is a lot of trying to outguess the others between the 2 mafia's and doctor. It gets complicated fast. You really can't say "player would be dead or alive" because you have 3 people trying to avoid targeting who the others target.

Well 2 people trying to avoid and 1 trying to hit.

MariaR · Post Post #773 (ISO) » Thu Oct 20, 2016 2:34 pm

Fair enough I normally protect based on who I find towny or who I think is scum and would be the best kill for them.

Io · Post Post #774 (ISO) » Thu Oct 20, 2016 4:07 pm

The problem I'm having with the NM wagon is that last time I played with him he was just like this and I get the feeling that he's the type of person who absolutely avoids doing anything AI. That pretty much turns him into a policy lynch and I while I wouldn't want him in a 2v1 scenario I don't want to policy lynch right now when I still have scum reads.
So if someone has evidence of something he's done not AI and scummy go ahead and present it or give me a reason to want to vote someone other than Lowell or Char, other than you think they are doctor looking at you fire.