Mini 1836: Space Mafia (Game Over)

Xkfyu · Post Post #2000 (ISO) » Thu Oct 20, 2016 4:11 pm

In post 1986, Zachstralkita wrote:Not sure how what I said before is clueless. When you take into account that it makes zero sense that friendly neighbor Dunn is alive.

if itlepip claimed pr why did that kill still happen? you would think there would be some reasonable fear or protection, in which case maybe Dunn would be that NK because scum would take the not obvious route. But no. itlepip was killed without recourse. which means there is quite possibly no protective role or said role is a shithead.

but the second killer being a vig makes sense setup wise if there is no doctor

Act oblivious if you want. Consider me oblivious which is the easier option.

If you want to explain how hard defending Dunn and lynching gerryoat/grapes ISN'T clueless, be my guest.

If you also want to explain away Dunn developing a scumread on anyone who happens to point out his scummy actions you can do that too.

Besides dunn who is scum I have a scumread on xk due to the way he pushes his rhetoric. I do not believe it comes from a town pov.

lurkers also deserve attn.
particularly fucking nosferatu. yeah. he's in this game.

If I was a doctor, I would have definitely protected Dunn over pip last night.

Nosferatu · Post Post #2001 (ISO) » Thu Oct 20, 2016 4:30 pm

In post 1963, grapes wrote:gerry at least might be bad town

Toto's just scum.

I like toto lynch better than gerry.

grapes · Post Post #2002 (ISO) » Thu Oct 20, 2016 4:48 pm

Let's have a vote then, nos.

Dunnstral · Post Post #2003 (ISO) » Thu Oct 20, 2016 4:51 pm

In post 1644, Nosferatu wrote:This whole dunn/grapes thing just sends me into a spiral of WIFOM and despair so I'm just going to do the reasonable thing and pretend it doesn't exist. grapes is still town, dunn is still null-scum, its all good.

In post 1590, TwoFace wrote:
vote: gerry

Can we lynch this scum now?
I'm cool with this. VOTE: gerry

In post 2001, Nosferatu wrote:
In post 1963, grapes wrote:gerry at least might be bad town

Toto's just scum.
I like toto lynch better than gerry.

Nice reads progression

grapes · Post Post #2004 (ISO) » Thu Oct 20, 2016 5:07 pm

Yea because nothing happened in 400 posts.

Nosferatu · Post Post #2005 (ISO) » Thu Oct 20, 2016 5:27 pm

In post 2003, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 1644, Nosferatu wrote:This whole dunn/grapes thing just sends me into a spiral of WIFOM and despair so I'm just going to do the reasonable thing and pretend it doesn't exist. grapes is still town, dunn is still null-scum, its all good.

In post 1590, TwoFace wrote:
vote: gerry

Can we lynch this scum now?
I'm cool with this. VOTE: gerry

In post 2001, Nosferatu wrote:
In post 1963, grapes wrote:gerry at least might be bad town

Toto's just scum.
I like toto lynch better than gerry.
Nice reads progression

not sure how read progression has anything to do with that

grapes wrote:Let's have a vote then, nos.

kk VOTE: toto

Toto · Post Post #2006 (ISO) » Thu Oct 20, 2016 8:31 pm

In post 1998, Dunnstral wrote:...What?
So you're saying both me and grapes are scum, and that I'm a mafia pr, and that grapes is trying to get themself lynched to save me?

First of all, where does me being a mafia pr come from? Like, why in your scenario can't I be a goon
Second of all, you kind of just say I'm scum with grapes with literally no evidence
AND what you're saying doesn't match up. Where does grapes try to save me? Did you forget that they tunneled me all day long AND said they didn't receive my message? In addition to their lame push day 1

Please elaborate on how you reached these conclusions.

Grapes is acting scummy. The problem is scum grapes only makes sense if you are also scum. As Xk just pointed out, it doesn't make sense for scum!grapes to trade with town!dunn.

If you are scum, you are in a tricky situation on D2 start as you need to come up with someone to have visited. It is very likely you would end up lynched today. So trade here means you still lose 1 scum, but the other one gets some significant towncred. This makes even more sense if one of you is a mafia PR, because there is a chance you can trade the PR for a goon.

This by itself doesn't look likely but when combined with Grapes' comment to Naomi about you wanting to 'trade' it starts gain some momentum.

You are right about Grapes tunneling you. It does debilitate my case. I'm assuming bussing is a common practice here but I don't have enough examples to decide whether this particular instance could be bussing or grapes!town tunneling someone.

In post 1998, Dunnstral wrote:First: YOu need to explain the part where you say I'm scum with Xkfyu
SEcond: Explain the grapes/naomi part and how it's connected to me and Xkyfu

If You and Grapes are scum, then Xk would be in the top of my list of potential 3rd member of the team. He has been involved in the Grapes/Dunn discussion without taking any sides. He is tunneling Gerry and has suggested the Vig should shoot him (unconditionally), which seems like setting up a night-kill. Gerry is acting weird but I can see how, if town, he would be a prime target for scum.

Lastly, if you and Grapes are scum, then he made a comment about how me + naomi + grapes look towny because we were voting you before. It would have been a good opportunity for Scum to insert his partner in a town group. If this is true, since I'm town, that makes grapes/naomi one of his partners. But following the above most likely grapes.

Maybe I'm wrong.

Is Grapes scum?
If Grapes is scum, doesn't that make Dunn scum too?

gerryoat · Post Post #2007 (ISO) » Thu Oct 20, 2016 8:40 pm

Hmm. i should read more into Nos later. Still want Dunn today

Dunnstral · Post Post #2008 (ISO) » Thu Oct 20, 2016 8:52 pm

You're wrong from the very beginning; it's possible for grapes to be scum while I'm town

It's possible for grapes to claim I was roleblocked, too, if I had been lynched. It's not a direct cc so it's not trading 1 for 1

You're wrong about Xk not taking sides - he clearly thinks I'm town

naomi is obvious town so I don't buy into that theory

Toto · Post Post #2009 (ISO) » Thu Oct 20, 2016 11:24 pm

In post 2008, Dunnstral wrote:You're wrong from the very beginning; it's possible for grapes to be scum while I'm town

It's possible for grapes to claim I was roleblocked, too, if I had been lynched. It's not a direct cc so it's not trading 1 for 1

You're wrong about Xk not taking sides - he clearly thinks I'm town

naomi is obvious town so I don't buy into that theory

Wouldn't it be more likely he would just play along and say you visited him if he was mafia and you were town? Mafia could just NK tonight, why go the hard way?

Also, can you explain how your read changed on Grapes?

Why does Naomi being obvious town makes it less likely that scum!xk would try to insert grapes in town group?

Dunnstral · Post Post #2010 (ISO) » Thu Oct 20, 2016 11:32 pm

First off you're assuming there's no protective (while less likely it's still possible)

It's not the "hard way" the difference is a night kill or a mislynch. It's way better to get me lynched
Also, it's possible I was roleblocked AND grapes is scum so they'd be telling the truth and just happen to be scum as well

My read change on grapes is well documented in the thread.

In post 2009, Toto wrote:Why does Naomi being obvious town makes it less likely that scum!xk would try to insert grapes in town group?

? I don't think Xk is scum and your argument was based off of him being scum with me and grapes

Xkfyu · Post Post #2011 (ISO) » Fri Oct 21, 2016 12:53 am

In post 2006, Toto wrote:If You and Grapes are scum, then Xk would be in the top of my list of potential 3rd member of the team. He has been involved in the Grapes/Dunn discussion without taking any sides.

You can't be serious.

In post 2006, Toto wrote:He is tunneling Gerry and has suggested the Vig should shoot him (unconditionally), which seems like setting up a night-kill.

This is absolutely true though.

In post 2006, Toto wrote:Is Grapes scum?

I don't think so.

In post 2006, Toto wrote:If Grapes is scum, doesn't that make Dunn scum too?

For the 100th time no, it doesn't.

Xkfyu · Post Post #2012 (ISO) » Fri Oct 21, 2016 12:55 am

In post 2009, Toto wrote:Wouldn't it be more likely he would just play along and say you visited him if he was mafia and you were town? Mafia could just NK tonight, why go the hard way?

If scum have a roleblocker, Dunn will never be killed.

A Friendly Neighbor is the

perfect

PR to perma-roleblock.

TwoFace · Post Post #2013 (ISO) » Fri Oct 21, 2016 1:02 am

Yeah the idea they have to be scum together makes no sense at all.

Xkfyu · Post Post #2014 (ISO) » Fri Oct 21, 2016 2:28 am

TwoFace, which would you prefer to lynch out of Toto and Zach?

I'd still prefer Gerry, but there's no way I'm letting Dunn be lynched today so we may have to move to one of the other two.

PantherPunt · Post Post #2015 (ISO) » Fri Oct 21, 2016 2:44 am

Toto isn't scum

Why will nobody even say massive's name. If he was town, wouldn't that be an easy push for scum? Dude doesn't post

TwoFace · Post Post #2016 (ISO) » Fri Oct 21, 2016 2:50 am

In post 2014, Xkfyu wrote:TwoFace, which would you prefer to lynch out of Toto and Zach?

I'd still prefer Gerry, but there's no way I'm letting Dunn be lynched today so we may have to move to one of the other two.

neither tbh.

TwoFace · Post Post #2017 (ISO) » Fri Oct 21, 2016 2:50 am

In post 2015, PantherPunt wrote:Toto isn't scum

Why will nobody even say massive's name. If he was town, wouldn't that be an easy push for scum? Dude doesn't post

ive said his name a bunch, even asked why people aren't scum reading him

Xkfyu · Post Post #2018 (ISO) » Fri Oct 21, 2016 2:50 am

In post 2015, PantherPunt wrote:Why will nobody even say massive's name. If he was town, wouldn't that be an easy push for scum? Dude doesn't post

That's the problem with chronic lurkers though.

I'm not opposed to lynching him. I'm scum reading others much harder though.

Xkfyu · Post Post #2019 (ISO) » Fri Oct 21, 2016 2:57 am

In post 2017, TwoFace wrote:
In post 2015, PantherPunt wrote:Toto isn't scum

Why will nobody even say massive's name. If he was town, wouldn't that be an easy push for scum? Dude doesn't post
ive said his name a bunch, even asked why people aren't scum reading him

If you aren't interested in lynching Toto or Zach, I'd support massive's lynch today over Dunn's.

TwoFace · Post Post #2020 (ISO) » Fri Oct 21, 2016 3:21 am

Why are we giving up on Gerry?

I can go with massive also

Xkfyu · Post Post #2021 (ISO) » Fri Oct 21, 2016 3:23 am

In post 2020, TwoFace wrote:Why are we giving up on Gerry?

I can go with massive also

I don't want to, but it looks like there may be more interest in lynching Dunn than Gerry, and I don't want that to happen either.

TwoFace · Post Post #2022 (ISO) » Fri Oct 21, 2016 3:32 am

Dunn only has 3 votes and they are Gerry/zach/toto.

2 who are talking nonsense and Gerry Whois t saying anything

That's such a bad wagon

TwoFace · Post Post #2023 (ISO) » Fri Oct 21, 2016 3:32 am

Who isn't *

Xkfyu · Post Post #2024 (ISO) » Fri Oct 21, 2016 3:48 am

In post 2022, TwoFace wrote:Dunn only has 3 votes and they are Gerry/zach/toto.

2 who are talking nonsense and Gerry Whois t saying anything

That's such a bad wagon

I agree, but I feel like someone not on Dunn's wagon has expressed interest in lynching him.

Naomi maybe? Or did I just make that up?