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You were voting Gamma quite recently, and never really posted much to say your read had flipped, so why is this a begrudging agreement?In post 1873, PenguinPower wrote:
I do, begrudgingly, have to support this. He was almost mislynched in a newbie game I was obvscum in because he just wears it on his sleeve.In post 1872, Grendel wrote:The trouble with your D1 Gamma case is that Gamma always plays in that manner. You're town reading him for reasons I find non-AI as far as Gamma goes.
Also, this is a really odd phrasing if he was town at the time, since Grendel is arguing it makes him scum now.-
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The second line is exactly my point: your words directly conflict with Grendel's words, PP.In post 1876, Zoronos wrote:
You were voting Gamma quite recently, and never really posted much to say your read had flipped, so why is this a begrudging agreement?In post 1873, PenguinPower wrote:
I do, begrudgingly, have to support this. He was almost mislynched in a newbie game I was obvscum in because he just wears it on his sleeve.In post 1872, Grendel wrote:The trouble with your D1 Gamma case is that Gamma always plays in that manner. You're town reading him for reasons I find non-AI as far as Gamma goes.
Also, this is a really odd phrasing if he was town at the time, since Grendel is arguing it makes him scum now.<Embrace The Void>
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If, for some small reason, you end up town...I hope you're smarter than the post above.
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Haven't seen your scum game
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I still think he's scum. Just had to agree with the statement because it's true as far as the "non-AI" that I quoted. Wow. Really?
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Slow the "f" down guys. Damn. Read above in p-edit2.-
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I feel you've been much more reactive than pro-active, but if I can't get any traction on PP, my vote will be on LUV because I don't think it's going on Gamma at this juncture.In post 1870, Zoronos wrote:
@zoronos - I've found my scum, made my case, and I've staked out a few more options. Sure, I have one more scum read than there are scum, but I'm working on it. I've hunted down some town too, whom I'm using as a gauge for my own reads.So I don't know where you get off saying I've not been hunting. Especially with all your largely voteless posturing. Vote LUV, and find out how much hunting I've done.
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With so much heat on me Day 1, while I was V/LA, I only had time to keep my head above water. Since then, I've slowly gained traction. At least to the point that you're willing to hop onto the wagon I'm pushing. Unless you've decided that leading a wagon isn't proactive.
Or is it that you expect some insane tunnel vision? There's more to scumhunting than bitching about how ignored you are, you know.-
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Post 55 in the Scum PT that you linked.In post 1883, Gamma Emerald wrote:My WHAT? I want you to see my way I play as scum and check if it's the play I'm doing here.
I'm not seeing a discernible difference if that's what you're going for. I'll re-read when I'm not three scotches in...don't see much changing though.-
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Oh THAT.In post 1887, PenguinPower wrote:
Post 55 in the Scum PT that you linked.In post 1883, Gamma Emerald wrote:My WHAT? I want you to see my way I play as scum and check if it's the play I'm doing here.
LOL it stayed in the PT.<Embrace The Void>
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No I definitely remember doing something similar in that game.In post 1888, boring wrote:Gamma. You're defending yourself very, very poorly. Your defences are nonsensical.
@Grendel - has he ever done this as town that you know of? He didn't try these stunts when he was town with me.<Embrace The Void>
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Things that make me think Gamma is town:
-The insistence that he is pseudo-confirmed town. Now, I suspect I'm going to get a lot of disagreement here. But there are two reasons I think this is a pretty significant towntell. One, I don't see the scum motivation for continuing to state it and re-state it. If he's scum, he sure as hell knows it's a bullshit argument and that it's going to be debunked; it's not the kind of thing that people are going to likely fall for, and so it's not the kind of thing that scum are likely to go for as a direct ploy to try to trick people into thinking that it's true. If anything, continuing to repeat that he should be confirmed town at this point and that the only way he could possibly be scum is if he's a traitor is suicidal as scum after it clearly isn't going to work. Two, and this is somewhat in contrast to point one... I am somewhat inclined to straightforwardly believe him. But this is less significant than point one.
-The read forgetting. I know I called this scummy earlier but it's extremely context-dependent... and it's a little worrying that people are pushing him so much for this when I feel like I just repeated it over and over again earlier (at least I think this is the point I was repeating earlier a bunch and was being ignored). In this context it's not as bad I think (although I haven't looked over itthatclosely. Frankly, things like 1833 are not reminiscent of scum trying to defend themselves from obviously very scummy things they've done.
-This goes hand in hand with both of those points but he's displaying a certain irreverence with regards to his own life. That also just doesn't read as concerned scum. He's not really flailing or struggling to get pressure off him. He's just going with things and continuing to play.
Note that all of this is from my memory of the game (i didn't actually re-read over much so details of my memory may be fuzzy esp. since i'm typing this at 2 am or so).-
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@Prism what are your current reads?ShowThe shadows betray you, because they serve me.
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He has flailed as town before.In post 1888, boring wrote:Gamma. You're defending yourself very, very poorly. Your defences are nonsensical.
@Grendel - has he ever done this as town that you know of? He didn't try these stunts when he was town with me.
I haven't seen him react under heavy pressure as scum yet. The game I had witnessed real time with Scum!Gamma he was day vigged before he really started defending himself.
And I don't see Gamma really getting put under lots of pressure in Desperation mafia. Unless I missed something, but he was never high on any Vote counts.-
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You're still happy with where your vote is right?In post 1896, Shadow_step wrote:@Prism what are your current reads?-
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Okay, so how do you feel about the, "if I were scum I'd do "x", not "y"" defenses that Gamma has put up?In post 1895, implosion wrote:Things that make me think Gamma is town:
-The insistence that he is pseudo-confirmed town. Now, I suspect I'm going to get a lot of disagreement here. But there are two reasons I think this is a pretty significant towntell. One, I don't see the scum motivation for continuing to state it and re-state it. If he's scum, he sure as hell knows it's a bullshit argument and that it's going to be debunked; it's not the kind of thing that people are going to likely fall for, and so it's not the kind of thing that scum are likely to go for as a direct ploy to try to trick people into thinking that it's true. If anything, continuing to repeat that he should be confirmed town at this point and that the only way he could possibly be scum is if he's a traitor is suicidal as scum after it clearly isn't going to work. Two, and this is somewhat in contrast to point one... I am somewhat inclined to straightforwardly believe him. But this is less significant than point one.
-The read forgetting. I know I called this scummy earlier but it's extremely context-dependent... and it's a little worrying that people are pushing him so much for this when I feel like I just repeated it over and over again earlier (at least I think this is the point I was repeating earlier a bunch and was being ignored). In this context it's not as bad I think (although I haven't looked over itthatclosely. Frankly, things like 1833 are not reminiscent of scum trying to defend themselves from obviously very scummy things they've done.
-This goes hand in hand with both of those points but he's displaying a certain irreverence with regards to his own life. That also just doesn't read as concerned scum. He's not really flailing or struggling to get pressure off him. He's just going with things and continuing to play.
Note that all of this is from my memory of the game (i didn't actually re-read over much so details of my memory may be fuzzy esp. since i'm typing this at 2 am or so).
I personally say that kind of think a lot as scum. So when I see a player doing it a lot it sends up a read flag for me.
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