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...I was going to vote Transcend today, if he couldn't at least give a decent reason for his scumread on Lil Uzi Vert.
And he didn't. But now Lil Uzi Vert is also making reads on basically nothing. And if they were both scum, then they'd both know it... hmmm. And sometimes scum do bus each other.
Hmmmmm.
mhsmith0, I think I want to know what (if anything) you know about that scum daytalk you mentioned earlier before I decide where to put my vote.-
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This is somewhat meta but scum knows who is cum so they read each post with the knowledge of what that players alignment is. Therefore they can see exactly what is townie about each post. For me it is very hard to call some people town and some people scum when I am maf. I either see everyone as town and have to entirely fabricate my scum tells(sure way to end up misspeaking and dieing) or I see everyone as scum and noone trusts me because I read them as scum when they know they are town.Hope that makes sense but the wiki does have a page on this. Scum has the best scum read and town reads of all the players in the game. They know and therefore can see the signs in each player's post.
Town is dumb; scum is smart.
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I know I am sheeting but so far LUV is the only player who looks very scummy to me. CCC is asking alot of questions but he is questioning a town read. If LUV is scum he could possibly be a scum buddy trying to distant himself? I lean town tho for know-
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Yeah... that's why I'm suspicious of Lil Uzi Vert for his correct read on me based on practically nothing.In post 626, Hermie wrote:This is somewhat meta but scum knows who is cum so they read each post with the knowledge of what that players alignment is. Therefore they can see exactly what is townie about each post. For me it is very hard to call some people town and some people scum when I am maf. I either see everyone as town and have to entirely fabricate my scum tells(sure way to end up misspeaking and dieing) or I see everyone as scum and noone trusts me because I read them as scum when they know they are town.Hope that makes sense but the wiki does have a page on this. Scum has the best scum read and town reads of all the players in the game. They know and therefore can see the signs in each player's post.
Town is dumb; scum is smart.
End of meta post
DO NOT ATTEMPT TO MAFIA WHILE DRIVING!In post 628, Hermie wrote:Mobile while driving really sucks.
You should be paying attention to the road! Watching other traffic! Paying attention to the pedestrians and/or cyclists in your vicinity! NOT dividing your attention with a mobile browser!
DO NOT ATTEMPT TO MAFIA WHILE DRIVING!
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Impoetic Mafia Scum
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That's a figure of speech, not a statistical estimation. I meant nothing more than that in the other version of mafia I play, people tend to overanalyze/overestimate how much I play to my role. I cannot list games where this happened because it's not forum mafia. Cloud plays there too.In post 615, CCC wrote:In post 492, Impoetic wrote:you mean when I said that people's PR/non-PR reads on me were like completely irrelevant to my actual role half the time? Why would you assume it was proven? Are you implyingyouknow my role?Halfthe time? How accurate is that figure? Do you perchance have stats (drawn only from completed games, of course) to back that up?-
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What do you think?In post 618, CCC wrote:
Is this an actual, serious scumclaim? I have a very strong urge to park my vote on you now.In post 504, Impoetic wrote:
friendly reminder that I'm the mafia goon with a factional kill to direct at whoever I want tonightIn post 498, JaeReed wrote:
eyyyy you CAN readIn post 495, Impoetic wrote:Actually he's likely town from a logical perspective given my perception of Gerryoat's approach to the game but I'm not sure and I think it's too soon to be sure but w/e
And are you reading the posts immediately before and after that?
because he came and posted some things that seemed really genuine to me. It wasn't necessarily a strong read in the first place.
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wait i know i'm being dumb and please clear me for it blah blah blah but... how is this meta? Is my definition of meta off? :sIn post 626, Hermie wrote:This is somewhat meta but scum knows who is cum so they read each post with the knowledge of what that players alignment is. Therefore they can see exactly what is townie about each post. For me it is very hard to call some people town and some people scum when I am maf. I either see everyone as town and have to entirely fabricate my scum tells(sure way to end up misspeaking and dieing) or I see everyone as scum and noone trusts me because I read them as scum when they know they are town.Hope that makes sense but the wiki does have a page on this. Scum has the best scum read and town reads of all the players in the game. They know and therefore can see the signs in each player's post.
Town is dumb; scum is smart.
End of meta post
I know I am sheeting but so far LUV is the only player who looks very scummy to me. CCC is asking alot of questions but he is questioning a town read. If LUV is scum he could possibly be a scum buddy trying to distant himself? I lean town tho for know-
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mhsmith0 Balancing Act
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Because that kind of confidence in a read based on nothing would be obvious bullshit / fake reads, and that's pretty damn obv!scum.In post 596, rb wrote:wait why would Uzi be confscum just because he saw CCC as conftown?
This is pretty likely town!trans. See my meta case on him in LYLO the first time we played (and he was a wolf)In post 625, CCC wrote:...I was going to vote Transcend today, if he couldn't at least give a decent reason for his scumread on Lil Uzi Vert.
And he didn't. But now Lil Uzi Vert is also making reads on basically nothing. And if they were both scum, then they'd both know it... hmmm. And sometimes scum do bus each other.
Hmmmmm.
mhsmith0, I think I want to know what (if anything) you know about that scum daytalk you mentioned earlier before I decide where to put my vote.
Spoiler:
The caveat here is that skimming his ISO there's not much in the way of questioning (more just shit-posting early on), but I don't see him pursuing an agenda, I don't see him pushing himself out of the spotlight, and I don't see any kind of focus on how he's being perceived by the board. It's not 100%, but unless he intentionally swung his meta (which is hard to do btw) just to fool me, I think it's just a lot more likely he's simply town.
PS My day chat knowledge comes from a really cool place. I'm going to spoil it because it might just blow your mind
Spoiler:
(I do give you small town points for asking, though, as I'd figure that scum would know it was public knowledge and the question didn't come off as fake or asking something just for the sake of asking)Showhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
Conq: you, sir, are great at being town.
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Quick: There is little to no chance this slot is Power-Wolfing.
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why would mafia know it was public knowledge? I don't get this line of logic.In post 634, mhsmith0 wrote:(I do give you small town points for asking, though, as I'd figure that scum would know it was public knowledge and the question didn't come off as fake or asking something just for the sake of asking)-
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Because everyone should know that there is daychat if they read.In post 635, Impoetic wrote:
why would mafia know it was public knowledge? I don't get this line of logic.In post 634, mhsmith0 wrote:(I do give you small town points for asking, though, as I'd figure that scum would know it was public knowledge and the question didn't come off as fake or asking something just for the sake of asking)Morituri te salutant. Et semper mortem memini.-
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In post 633, Impoetic wrote:
wait i know i'm being dumb and please clear me for it blah blah blah but... how is this meta? Is my definition of meta off? :sIn post 626, Hermie wrote:This is somewhat meta but scum knows who is cum so they read each post with the knowledge of what that players alignment is. Therefore they can see exactly what is townie about each post. For me it is very hard to call some people town and some people scum when I am maf. I either see everyone as town and have to entirely fabricate my scum tells(sure way to end up misspeaking and dieing) or I see everyone as scum and noone trusts me because I read them as scum when they know they are town.Hope that makes sense but the wiki does have a page on this. Scum has the best scum read and town reads of all the players in the game. They know and therefore can see the signs in each player's post.
Town is dumb; scum is smart.
End of meta post
I know I am sheeting but so far LUV is the only player who looks very scummy to me. CCC is asking alot of questions but he is questioning a town read. If LUV is scum he could possibly be a scum buddy trying to distant himself? I lean town tho for know
As far as I know meta is the theory of the game and the theory of who will do what and how scum will act vs how town will act.
Meta gaming is a type of fluff because using it you can throw shade and look involved without providing in-game reads on current hot topic players.
Ie in the top part of that post I didn't really accuse or name anyone altho I was talking about LUV.
The bottom part wasn't meta. It was my gut feelings on luv and ccc-
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Yeah but why is mafia more likely to know it's public knowledge than town is?In post 637, Io wrote:
Because everyone should know that there is daychat if they read.In post 635, Impoetic wrote:
why would mafia know it was public knowledge? I don't get this line of logic.In post 634, mhsmith0 wrote:(I do give you small town points for asking, though, as I'd figure that scum would know it was public knowledge and the question didn't come off as fake or asking something just for the sake of asking)-
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yes but why would town be any less likely to know that everyone knows than mafia?In post 637, Io wrote:
Because everyone should know that there is daychat if they read.In post 635, Impoetic wrote:
why would mafia know it was public knowledge? I don't get this line of logic.In post 634, mhsmith0 wrote:(I do give you small town points for asking, though, as I'd figure that scum would know it was public knowledge and the question didn't come off as fake or asking something just for the sake of asking)-
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Thanks. It seems my definition of meta in the context of mafia specifically was not fully correct.In post 638, Hermie wrote:In post 633, Impoetic wrote:
wait i know i'm being dumb and please clear me for it blah blah blah but... how is this meta? Is my definition of meta off? :sIn post 626, Hermie wrote:This is somewhat meta but scum knows who is cum so they read each post with the knowledge of what that players alignment is. Therefore they can see exactly what is townie about each post. For me it is very hard to call some people town and some people scum when I am maf. I either see everyone as town and have to entirely fabricate my scum tells(sure way to end up misspeaking and dieing) or I see everyone as scum and noone trusts me because I read them as scum when they know they are town.Hope that makes sense but the wiki does have a page on this. Scum has the best scum read and town reads of all the players in the game. They know and therefore can see the signs in each player's post.
Town is dumb; scum is smart.
End of meta post
I know I am sheeting but so far LUV is the only player who looks very scummy to me. CCC is asking alot of questions but he is questioning a town read. If LUV is scum he could possibly be a scum buddy trying to distant himself? I lean town tho for know
As far as I know meta is the theory of the game and the theory of who will do what and how scum will act vs how town will act.
Meta gaming is a type of fluff because using it you can throw shade and look involved without providing in-game reads on current hot topic players.
Ie in the top part of that post I didn't really accuse or name anyone altho I was talking about LUV.
The bottom part wasn't meta. It was my gut feelings on luv and ccc
Also oops, looks like jaereed literally just said the same thing i did in almost the exact same words lol-
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<3 it's ok my child I have you coveredIn post 641, Impoetic wrote:Also oops, looks like jaereed literally just said the same thing i did in almost the exact same words lol-
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BecauseIn post 639, JaeReed wrote:
Yeah but why is mafia more likely to know it's public knowledge than town is?In post 637, Io wrote:
Because everyone should know that there is daychat if they read.In post 635, Impoetic wrote:
why would mafia know it was public knowledge? I don't get this line of logic.In post 634, mhsmith0 wrote:(I do give you small town points for asking, though, as I'd figure that scum would know it was public knowledge and the question didn't come off as fake or asking something just for the sake of asking)
1) there are (probably) three of them so more odds at least one bothered to read OP
2) they would KNOW there was day chat without an encryptor, and if any are familiar w normal rules they'd know it has to be announced
3) in general you expect wolves to pay more attention to setup (they're called "dumb tells" or "derp clears" for a reason).Showhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
Conq: you, sir, are great at being town.
BATMAN: Only jugg was the only one we didn’t scum read at least not me
Quick: There is little to no chance this slot is Power-Wolfing.
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In post 624, CCC wrote:
Insufficient evidence. I'd posted nothing but fluff and one or two minor questions before that read.In post 596, rb wrote:wait why would Uzi be confscum just because he saw CCC as conftown?
Yeah, but generally Town waits until it has a bit of evidence first, one way or the other. I'd posted practically nothing before that read.In post 600, rb wrote:
Well that's patently false as most town players develop strong scum or town reads in most games.In post 598, Hermie wrote:
Because scum are the only players who can be confident with their reads! Town is uninformed, scum knows.In post 596, rb wrote:wait why would Uzi be confscum just because he saw CCC as conftown?
Makes it look like Lil Uzi Vert might just have decided in advance how he wanted to read me, then ignored my actual posts. Which would seem more of a scum strategy than a town strategy.
I don't recall saying how strong my reads are but for the record, they aren't that strong at the moment and they like all reads during this time are subject to change and will.In post 629, CCC wrote:
Yeah... that's why I'm suspicious of Lil Uzi Vert for his correct read on me based on practically nothing.In post 626, Hermie wrote:This is somewhat meta but scum knows who is cum so they read each post with the knowledge of what that players alignment is. Therefore they can see exactly what is townie about each post. For me it is very hard to call some people town and some people scum when I am maf. I either see everyone as town and have to entirely fabricate my scum tells(sure way to end up misspeaking and dieing) or I see everyone as scum and noone trusts me because I read them as scum when they know they are town.Hope that makes sense but the wiki does have a page on this. Scum has the best scum read and town reads of all the players in the game. They know and therefore can see the signs in each player's post.
Town is dumb; scum is smart.
End of meta post
DO NOT ATTEMPT TO MAFIA WHILE DRIVING!In post 628, Hermie wrote:Mobile while driving really sucks.
You should be paying attention to the road! Watching other traffic! Paying attention to the pedestrians and/or cyclists in your vicinity! NOT dividing your attention with a mobile browser!
DO NOT ATTEMPT TO MAFIA WHILE DRIVING!
It's not safe!
I will say though that my questions toward Transcend was how I got my scum read on him.-
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yes but why would that one specifically announce it in the PT to the others?In post 643, mhsmith0 wrote:
BecauseIn post 639, JaeReed wrote:
Yeah but why is mafia more likely to know it's public knowledge than town is?In post 637, Io wrote:
Because everyone should know that there is daychat if they read.In post 635, Impoetic wrote:
why would mafia know it was public knowledge? I don't get this line of logic.In post 634, mhsmith0 wrote:(I do give you small town points for asking, though, as I'd figure that scum would know it was public knowledge and the question didn't come off as fake or asking something just for the sake of asking)
1) there are (probably) three of them so more odds at least one bothered to read OP
okay but i didn't think of this and clearly the person who asked you that question (I actually forget who it was; Hermie or CC, right?) is fairly new to Mafiascum as well so I doubt they'd know this2) they would KNOW there was day chat without an encryptor, and if any are familiar w normal rules they'd know it has to be announced
I think of dumbtells/derp clears as mistakes that only town can make, not just...mistakes that potentially indicate carelessness.3) in general you expect wolves to pay more attention to setup (they're called "dumb tells" or "derp clears" for a reason).-
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gonna elaborate for my own viewpoint on this hereIn post 645, Impoetic wrote:
I think of dumbtells/derp clears as mistakes that only town can make, not just...mistakes that potentially indicate carelessness.3) in general you expect wolves to pay more attention to setup (they're called "dumb tells" or "derp clears" for a reason).
Reading the setup I think is something that is a personality tell. As is actually remembering the contents.
Example:
I always read the setup. Sometimes I don't remember the contents. If someone mentions day chat I go and look at the setup to clarify it's written there before jumping to conclusions.
Impo I'd bet never reads the setup. If someone mentions day chat she's likely to just assume it's written in the setup rather than bother to go check I'd imagine.
This is regardless of alignment. It's a personality thing.-
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Only in normals is that a rule I thinkIn post 646, Impoetic wrote:saying I didn't think of this wasn't a scumclaim it was me genuinely not knowing that daychat w/o encryptor = 100% always announced in the OP-
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mhsmith0 Balancing Act
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1) Also, depending on the scum team and the level of their planning, it would possibly come up in conversation, at least in terms of "be aware that people know this is going on and may keep an eye out for coaching and coordination and the like". So if one noticed and the other two derped, it's still reasonably likely that the one who noticed would have communicated it to the others.In post 645, Impoetic wrote:
yes but why would that one specifically announce it in the PT to the others?In post 643, mhsmith0 wrote:
BecauseIn post 639, JaeReed wrote:
Yeah but why is mafia more likely to know it's public knowledge than town is?In post 637, Io wrote:
Because everyone should know that there is daychat if they read.In post 635, Impoetic wrote:
why would mafia know it was public knowledge? I don't get this line of logic.In post 634, mhsmith0 wrote:(I do give you small town points for asking, though, as I'd figure that scum would know it was public knowledge and the question didn't come off as fake or asking something just for the sake of asking)
1) there are (probably) three of them so more odds at least one bothered to read OP
okay but i didn't think of this and clearly the person who asked you that question (I actually forget who it was; Hermie or CC, right?) is fairly new to Mafiascum as well so I doubt they'd know this2) they would KNOW there was day chat without an encryptor, and if any are familiar w normal rules they'd know it has to be announced
I think of dumbtells/derp clears as mistakes that only town can make, not just...mistakes that potentially indicate carelessness.3) in general you expect wolves to pay more attention to setup (they're called "dumb tells" or "derp clears" for a reason).
2) It was CCC, and I don't know that he'd know it on his own, but going back to the "at least one of the mafia would likely have noticed" bit, barring an all newb team, it seems reasonably likely that SOMEONE on the scum team would have noticed. So him genuinely not knowing it (and I do get that sense from his posts on the subject, it wasn't 100% unfakeable, but nothing there seemed fake when I was reading) would suggest that he didn't know it because he didn't have scum buddies to bring it to his attention or bring it up during day chat. Thus the incident suggesting he's just town.
3) Well, yes. Not knowing the setup isn't ONLY something that town can make, but it's much likelier. Scum would know that there's day chat (barring just a totally ridiculous scum team that paid zero attention to the PT during the day, or the original PM, or the like), and it's reasonably likely that at least one would know that the town knew it. So unless the scum team was all lazy about reading the setup, or they were actively telling him to fake lack of knowledge (and boht seem unlikely), again it seems likelier he's just town.Showhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
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