Micro 655: Forest Fire - Endgame

[The_Jester]

Great, together we got a 100% chance to find scum

[The_Jester]

I'll go over Reuben's post in a sec.

[MariaR]

The fact NO ONE i s defending fire and there are no counter wagons coming up this just SCREAMS ml the more I look at it

[The_Jester]

Well yeah but his posting's been bad. You yourself said you'd be voting him if not for your weird not voting policy.

[MariaR]

Well yeah but his posting's been bad. You yourself said you'd be voting him if not for your weird not voting policy.

You're right that's why I'm confused

[The_Jester]

vifam #46 doesn't want to vote because they don't know who the scum are. mention that they don't want to be pressured as a result. seems like they care too much about what people think of them. very passive.

I thought he was joking.

tiershift #56 cites fire/48 as a reason to wagon him. i think vifam/46 is still worse because it's a lot like what careyhammer was doing in micro 634. fire's analogue in that game, accountant townread vifam's (scum) analogue in that game for a similar post.

I mean, it's fine to keep in mind previous experiences but I don't think you can just copy paste specific actions from one game into another.

maria 64-66 "is molla a srs vote?" (jester/65 "no it's not) "it better not be with 3 pages... i'll power lynch any of you" she's trying REALLY hard to kill the BB wagon.

Hmm I'm not really sure Maria's stance's tied to Molla individually but I guess it's worth noting.

fire #67 seems to try really hard to justify switching from his first vote of the game onto BBmolla. really hate that. really hate his point #2, as well.

Yeah I think he's way too insecure for town Fire.

fire #75 thinks maria isn't being genuine with how concerned she is about the wagons. i don't think they are viable teammates

Not for the moment, no.

maria #77 gets super defensive to fire's #75

Nah it rather looked like she tried to look casual.

fire #91 says him trying to get us out of RVS is a nontell. i disagree. all behavior makes sense in context. the context is the tell.

So what did him trying to get out of RVS quickly tell you exactly?

fire #104 asks if flubber is being serious. seemed serious to me.

Actually Fire had a good point imo.

fire #108 !!!!! says that vifam softed fire fighter (??? post 46/"i don't know who is scum still i don't want to be pressured"/paraphrase ??) fire is reading WAY too far into this comment and it conflicts greatly with my original read of #46 to the point that it concerns me that he is looking for PR. his early townread of vifam proves he was trying to find him as PR from the beginning of the game (fire/48). I HATE THIS.

Yeah wtf was that. I didn't wanna bring it up in order to observe NKs so I can retract later on but now that you've pointed it out- yeah, terrible stuff.

fire #112 he just doesn't stop

He doesn't stop what? I thought his scumread on Tier was interesting, still waiting for Fire to explain that.

really hate how vifam tried cockblocking bbmolla's read earlier

Why are you angry with Vifam defending your top townread?

then came back 6 minutes later to joke about it. (#84-86)

Maybe he just ISO'd me to see what could be the reason for Molla's suspicions?

reads

scum { fire assassin }
scum lean { tiershift, vifam, flubbernugget }
townlean { smoothblue, BBmolla }
town { maria, jester }

I'm confused why you're scumleaning on Tier. Elaborate?
Do you have previous experience with Molla?
And why do you townread Maria when you poined out she's been acting weird? Is it solely based on your assumption of her not being scum with Fire?

[ReubenWasFine]

1) the context is that fire tried to get us out of RVS before everyone had posted.
2) he wasn't holding back when it came to picking vifam's brain. if he was scumhunting he was relying too hard on vifam.
3) i'm upset at vifam because it was a shit play. if he thinks you're town, the correct thing to do is to let bbmolla prod you until he's satisfied. if he's going to derail it, he needs a good reason. he came back 6 minutes to make a joke about it. as if he was self conscious that it wasn't a good post and wanted to laugh it off. timing matters. plus all my reads aren't in a vacuum. otherwise i wouldn't have more than two scum reads.
4) tier's a good partner for fire. his "good townie" push on fire is pretty dubious. if scum!fire was trying to look like a good townie, i suppose starting an early wagon on BB would be a good idea, because BB doesn't seem likely to dig himself a grave and make scum!fire look bad. beyond that, looking like a good townie is sticking their neck out. i have different problems with fire's attempted wagon and that isn't it. 56/61 looked like an unnatural exchange.
5) no experience with BB
6) more to maria than that

[Vifam]

i'm upset at vifam because it was a shit play. if he thinks you're town, the correct thing to do is to let bbmolla prod you until he's satisfied.

I don't think it's bad play to deter one wagon that you townread early when you think you've found scum early in another wagon.

[Fire Assassin]

Site wide V/LA till Sunday.

[Vifam]

The fact NO ONE i s defending fire and there are no counter wagons coming up this just SCREAMS ml the more I look at it

Not really, screams is kind of an exaggeration.

[ReubenWasFine]

and yet here i am with intent on fire assassin and a townread on jester and when i look at your posts 83-86 it looks scummy.

[The_Jester]

Dunno, I don't have problems with Vifam apart from his trying-to-be-ballsy-yet-retracting-moments-later-to-avoid-heat entrance. Could be insecure scum but I may be reading too much into it.
Townleaning on Reuben atm.

[Vifam]

and yet here i am with intent on fire assassin and a townread on jester and when i look at your posts 83-86 it looks scummy.

All I did in those posts was ask BB a question about a read and make a joke

[Vifam]

Dunno, I don't have problems with Vifam apart from his trying-to-be-ballsy-yet-retracting-moments-later-to-avoid-heat entrance. Could be insecure scum but I may be reading too much into it.
Townleaning on Reuben atm.

Im not being ballsy lmfao what about my play is ballsy.

[BBmolla]

We're not lynching fire

I'll answer your question tomorrow jester

Reuben's read post seems fishy

[mhsmith0]

Votecount 1.04

The_Jester (1)

Bbmolla ,

Bbmolla (1)

Fire Assassin ,

Flubbernugget (2)

ReubenWasFine , The_Jester ,

Fire Assassin (3)

TierShift , Vifam , Flubbernugget L-2 ,

Not Voting (2)

SmoothBlue , MariaR ,

Day one deadline is Tuesday November 8th, 12 AM PST. (expired on 2016-11-08 00:00:00)

With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch!

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[SmoothBlue]

Well, him not being here to clear up the air doesn't help. But I do think it's possible his partner's among people who scumread him, if he indeed turns out to be mafia.

I highly doubt if fire is scum one of the people voting him are his partners.

I'm with Maria on this one, usually on Day 1, it's pretty easy as Mafia to secure a non-Mafia lynch.

BBMolla/Tier,
What are your reads on each other at this point?

[Fire Assassin]

I am back. So far biggest scum read right now is Maria for a few posts but I am hesitant to say that is strong due to my concerns over her style being very situational as I have seen from here.

Tier pointing at trying to move things out of RVS and call it scummy is straight lie. It has however moved us out of RVS.
That being said my vote on BBMolla is wasted:

VOTE: Tiershift

[MariaR]

Why do you sr me fire
I could get you lynched if I wanted ^_^

[Fire Assassin]

Why do you sr me fire
I could get you lynched if I wanted ^_^

Because your worrying earlier looked fake.
And I don't care if I get lynched, your still scummy.

[MariaR]

Why do you sr me fire
I could get you lynched if I wanted ^_^

Because your worrying earlier looked fake.
And I don't care if I get lynched, your still scummy.

So me being worried that a day going by fast is fake
...Boy you need help!

[Fire Assassin]

Firebringer says hi btw.

[MariaR]

So does Madison

[Flubbernugget]

I'm starting to think my issue with Maria also is more playstyle based rather than caused by her actual scumminess so I'm gonna take a step back and decide on her when I see more content.

VOTE: Flubber

Feel like his scumhunting's only superficial and isn't really analysing the game. Usually happens when somebody already knows other people's alignments. Also I strongly dislike his jump on the Fire wagon (wanted Molla to help me judge it but he refused to comply, bummer).

Edit: ninja'd

I think Fire's pretty likely to be scum this game, his town meta is different, at least as experienced by me. But we gotta keep in mind this is an alt account. I don't wanna jump on his wagon just yet.

I'm not sure what an alt account has to do with anything

[Flubbernugget]

I am back. So far biggest scum read right now is Maria for a few posts but I am hesitant to say that is strong due to my concerns over her style being very situational as I have seen from here.

Tier pointing at trying to move things out of RVS and call it scummy is straight lie. It has however moved us out of RVS.
That being said my vote on BBMolla is wasted:

VOTE: Tiershift

I dont understand why you aren't voting for your biggest scum read here