In post 916, mhsmith0 wrote:It's legitimate to suspect there IMO. The question I have is if they're actually being intentionally lazy as some weird strategy as town, or whether it's a wolf strategy just to try and look like scummy town. If we had a vig I'd say they're a decent shot, but that seems unlikely with just one death n1.
No. If you think I could be intentionally lazy as a town strategy then you do not call for a fucking vig on me.
VOTE: smith
This is scum.
"Jae defends his townreads like a fanatic" - Charloux
"On the issue of myself they go back and forth between overpowering paranoia and absolute certainty I'm town... it's kind of exhausting." - Nahdia
Given that we pretty obviously do not actually have a vig, and all I said was "they're a decent shot" why did you interpret that as actively calling for a vig?
http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
Conq: you, sir, are great at being town.
BATMAN: Only jugg was the only one we didn’t scum read at least not me
Quick: There is little to no chance this slot is Power-Wolfing.
SR: I want to give him a day
Life is simply unfair, don't you think?
In post 918, Impoetic wrote:also jae i know you're joking but if you do that I'm going to tunnel back regardless of whether my read changes on you past that point so don't try it thx
Not joking. You make shit pushes on me as scum. That's what I look out for with you. There's a line where I won't accept town paranoia as an excuse. So don't cross it.
"Jae defends his townreads like a fanatic" - Charloux
"On the issue of myself they go back and forth between overpowering paranoia and absolute certainty I'm town... it's kind of exhausting." - Nahdia
http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
Conq: you, sir, are great at being town.
BATMAN: Only jugg was the only one we didn’t scum read at least not me
Quick: There is little to no chance this slot is Power-Wolfing.
SR: I want to give him a day
Life is simply unfair, don't you think?
In post 926, mhsmith0 wrote:Given that we pretty obviously do not actually have a vig, and all I said was "they're a decent shot" why did you interpret that as actively calling for a vig?
No, we don't pretty obviously not have a vig. There could be any number of reasons for the vig not shooting N1. Even night vig, noncon, 1shot to name a few. Then there's the possibility they DID shoot and both vig & scum shot gerry. There's the possibility that they shot and there was a doc save on one of the kills. So no, it's not pretty obvious.
Saying I'm a decent shot is implying that you want me vigged.
pedit: yup, you're trying to tell the vig where to shoot is the theory. I don't like it.
"Jae defends his townreads like a fanatic" - Charloux
"On the issue of myself they go back and forth between overpowering paranoia and absolute certainty I'm town... it's kind of exhausting." - Nahdia
Given one n1 death, I'd put odds of any kind of vig (or sk or multiball) at something like 10%. So yes, it seems quite unlikely. So to interpret that as my actively trying to direct vig shots (much less that I'd have any real confidence in it working as an offhand comment) is strange. Have you ever seen scum actually do this?
http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
Conq: you, sir, are great at being town.
BATMAN: Only jugg was the only one we didn’t scum read at least not me
Quick: There is little to no chance this slot is Power-Wolfing.
SR: I want to give him a day
Life is simply unfair, don't you think?
Much less do this in a back and forth conversation in the middle of the day phase, late night real time, when few are around? Like, that's a SUPER defensive reaction to a pretty off hand comment. Is major defensiveness normal for your town game? Some people are like that, but my sense is that level of it is fairly uncommon.
http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
Conq: you, sir, are great at being town.
BATMAN: Only jugg was the only one we didn’t scum read at least not me
Quick: There is little to no chance this slot is Power-Wolfing.
SR: I want to give him a day
Life is simply unfair, don't you think?
In post 922, mhsmith0 wrote:Ccc, which game were u referencing, and which scum/which votes? Note that if you say wakes role madness I'm in advance not gonna bother looking though.
In post 922, mhsmith0 wrote:Ccc, which game were u referencing, and which scum/which votes? Note that if you say wakes role madness I'm in advance not gonna bother looking though.
In post 918, Impoetic wrote:really not seeing it as such a scumtell. Like, I can see how you can interpret it as such, but I don't think it is just because trusting someone else's reads over your own is something I've done before too (oops)?
predit: why would scum "try to look like scummy town"? also jae i know you're joking but if you do that I'm going to tunnel back regardless of whether my read changes on you past that point so don't try it thx
If he was trusting Transcend's reads above his own, then surely he would have had Lil Uzi Vert as his top scumread yesterday (with the reason of "Transcend think this is scum")?
Trusting someone's read over my own doesn't mean I have to disregard my own reads completely. THAT would be scummy, because it'd be trying to avoid drawing associations.
Looking back at your massive wall post, you're clearly letting other people's reads influence your reads:
In post 883, JaeReed wrote:CCC is a scum read flat out but holding back on that because smith might be town and if so his opinion is valued.
Yet, even after looking at Transcend's push on Uzi, you still had Uzi as only your third-place scumread - while nonetheless voting for Uzi. It just doesn't match up.
@CCC those are different to this. They were actively trying to set up teams with the person they were voting.
Assume I get announced as Innocent Child (confirmed town) who do you then think is mafia?
"Jae defends his townreads like a fanatic" - Charloux
"On the issue of myself they go back and forth between overpowering paranoia and absolute certainty I'm town... it's kind of exhausting." - Nahdia
I'd say that the analogues to Gerry aren't perfect though. Gerry "hard scum read" one player and then voted someone else in a dependency read, while Jae's vote on LUV comes across as primarily lazy. I also kinda like the way he's been talking the last page or so; among other things, at this hour I'd expect day chat to not be helpful, so he's probably flying solo, and if his scum game really is horrible then I think he'd have made himself look quite a bit worse in the back and forth. He's still basically null for me, which is kinda annoying but *shrugs*
http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
Conq: you, sir, are great at being town.
BATMAN: Only jugg was the only one we didn’t scum read at least not me
Quick: There is little to no chance this slot is Power-Wolfing.
SR: I want to give him a day
Life is simply unfair, don't you think?
In post 930, mhsmith0 wrote:Given one n1 death, I'd put odds of any kind of vig (or sk or multiball) at something like 10%. So yes, it seems quite unlikely. So to interpret that as my actively trying to direct vig shots (much less that I'd have any real confidence in it working as an offhand comment) is strange. Have you ever seen scum actually do this?
Actually, not sure. Probably not since I can't think of anything off the top of my head. People try to direct the vig shot all the time in games but I don't know if scum are more likely to than town. It's more who you're trying to direct it on that I have a problem with. Especially given everything that has happened so far in thread, I feel you should have a very solid reason as town to not try me here.
In post 931, mhsmith0 wrote:Much less do this in a back and forth conversation in the middle of the day phase, late night real time, when few are around? Like, that's a SUPER defensive reaction to a pretty off hand comment. Is major defensiveness normal for your town game? Some people are like that, but my sense is that level of it is fairly uncommon.
"Jae defends his townreads like a fanatic" - Charloux
"On the issue of myself they go back and forth between overpowering paranoia and absolute certainty I'm town... it's kind of exhausting." - Nahdia
Lol, trans was around. Would get a good laugh if he'd been coaching Jae in scum chat just now, but I don't think there's any good way to suss that out.
http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
Conq: you, sir, are great at being town.
BATMAN: Only jugg was the only one we didn’t scum read at least not me
Quick: There is little to no chance this slot is Power-Wolfing.
SR: I want to give him a day
Life is simply unfair, don't you think?
http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
Conq: you, sir, are great at being town.
BATMAN: Only jugg was the only one we didn’t scum read at least not me
Quick: There is little to no chance this slot is Power-Wolfing.
SR: I want to give him a day
Life is simply unfair, don't you think?
In post 939, JaeReed wrote:Especially given everything that has happened so far in thread, I feel you should have a very solid reason as town to not try me here.
So basically you think you're obv!town and that I should know it and that all pushes against you are illegitimate? Or something else?
http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
Conq: you, sir, are great at being town.
BATMAN: Only jugg was the only one we didn’t scum read at least not me
Quick: There is little to no chance this slot is Power-Wolfing.
SR: I want to give him a day
Life is simply unfair, don't you think?
In post 935, JaeReed wrote:@CCC those are different to this. They were actively trying to set up teams with the person they were voting.
Assume I get announced as Innocent Child (confirmed town) who do you then think is mafia?
That seems highly unlikely.
But if it were to happen, then my top scumread would be Transcend - that's a substantially weaker read.
So you wouldn't take into account that he's my hardest townread, despite me having meta on him and being confirmed town to you, nor would you re-evaluate and look at people's interactions around the confirmed town?
"Jae defends his townreads like a fanatic" - Charloux
"On the issue of myself they go back and forth between overpowering paranoia and absolute certainty I'm town... it's kind of exhausting." - Nahdia
http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
Conq: you, sir, are great at being town.
BATMAN: Only jugg was the only one we didn’t scum read at least not me
Quick: There is little to no chance this slot is Power-Wolfing.
SR: I want to give him a day
Life is simply unfair, don't you think?
In post 939, JaeReed wrote:Especially given everything that has happened so far in thread, I feel you should have a very solid reason as town to not try me here.
So basically you think you're obv!town and that I should know it and that all pushes against you are illegitimate? Or something else?
I think you specifically should know I'm town.
"Jae defends his townreads like a fanatic" - Charloux
"On the issue of myself they go back and forth between overpowering paranoia and absolute certainty I'm town... it's kind of exhausting." - Nahdia
In post 939, JaeReed wrote:Especially given everything that has happened so far in thread, I feel you should have a very solid reason as town to not try me here.
So basically you think you're obv!town and that I should know it and that all pushes against you are illegitimate? Or something else?
I think you specifically should know I'm town.
I... should? Based on in thread happenings? I don't really understand why I should have you as strong town. I'm not chomping at the bit to vote you, but I don't find you particularly obv!town or the like.
http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
Conq: you, sir, are great at being town.
BATMAN: Only jugg was the only one we didn’t scum read at least not me
Quick: There is little to no chance this slot is Power-Wolfing.
SR: I want to give him a day
Life is simply unfair, don't you think?
Idk if this is relevant to rangers micro and you think you're similar to that maybe? I'm kinda just guessing as to why you think it should be obvious at this point.
http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
Conq: you, sir, are great at being town.
BATMAN: Only jugg was the only one we didn’t scum read at least not me
Quick: There is little to no chance this slot is Power-Wolfing.
SR: I want to give him a day
Life is simply unfair, don't you think?