Newbie 1752: Wave - Game Over

[Creature]

Played mafia or played as mafia?

[Raskolnikov]

hellfire that's the case with literally everyone's first couple of games

[Blakebtb23]

So Charloux still hasn't given any thoughts yet, what do you think Charloux?

[Desmond]

Good morning. To talk about myself - unavailable website scared me there for a while. Checked yesterday if it was on, latest post I saw wasade by moderator. And I was having a hangover.

Welcome, Creature! @Raskolnikov: I am not totally new, played 7-9 big mafia games on gog.com. But I am slow as a turtle. Also, D1 I always like to observe more than contribute. In time I always get out of my shell.

I am still kind of locked on Cloud being scum. BUt what I mean, is, that I read his posts from "scum-Cloud" point of view first. Given that, he looks jumpy and likes to make friends with all sorts of unknown people untill being pointed fingers at himself. So that kind of play I find curious.

After work I want to make myself a good pot of green tea, sit down, do some reading, meaning giving my fresh view on things.

[Drone]

Desmond I've been nudging and poking at Cloud so many times yet haven't been read scum by him.
Not sure where you getting at @Desmond

[Desmond]

I am saying I have not paid much attention to other playera yet, so I sit on Cloud like a lazy bastard even though he may very well be town.

[Drone]

Okay, now what do you expect town to take from this post Desmond? You're okay with lynching Cloud even though you believe he may be town after all just because you're too lazy to read others?
Why should we keen you? You just said you're anti town.
That's BEING anti town.
VOTE: Desmond
Where's Tenshii and Char?

[Hellfire Missile]

hellfire that's the case with literally everyone's first couple of games

Did you just go with other people? Did you look up anything? How did you get the intuition to judge people?

[Hellfire Missile]

And btw rask fliped scum VOTE: raskolnikov

So, was rereading through the posts, and saw this. I don't really get this, was it just a random vote on d1?

[Hellfire Missile]

The default roles and unique roles on town have the same goal as town, and the roles on mafia have the same goals as mafia right?

[Hellfire Missile]

Town:
You win when all threats to the Town have been eliminated.
Mafia:
You win when the Town has been eliminated, or nothing can stop this from occurring.

[Hellfire Missile]

Town:
You win when all threats to the Town have been eliminated.
Mafia:
You win when the Town has been eliminated, or nothing can stop this from occurring.

Seeing as we're on day 1, how do you guys form opinions? Both the Town and Mafia both want to lynch people, with the added bonus of Mafia getting another kill at night. I don't understand how you guys can think (x) is Town while (y) is Mafia. It's really confusing..

[Tenshii]

Okay, now what do you expect town to take from this post Desmond? You're okay with lynching Cloud even though you believe he may be town after all just because you're too lazy to read others?
Why should we keen you? You just said you're anti town.
That's BEING anti town.
VOTE: Desmond
Where's Tenshii and Char?

So does anti-town = scum to you?

[CloudKicker]

UNVOTE: dont lynch before i come back please in like 2 days

[Desmond]

Okay, now what do you expect town to take from this post Desmond? You're okay with lynching Cloud even though you believe he may be town after all just because you're too lazy to read others?
Why should we keen you? You just said you're anti town.
That's BEING anti town.

Yeah, if only we were all that smart... But did you take in consideration this logic: until later time when I have re-read the thread to gain fresh insight (like I noted), Cloud remains my best guess of scum. As of writing this post, I have not gathered sufficient amount of information to yell "(S)HE is scum! Re-vote...". So, based on old information, Cloud is my suspect and if he is my suspect, I vote him.

Now, me saying "He might as well be town" is as gibberish as me saying "Cloud might as well be tooth fairy". It is at its core, a general assumption that can logically be applied to any and all players from town perspective kind of view. And yet, you take this as if I would have said "Now I believe Cloud to be town, but I will change my vote later". No, my friend, words have meaning and this is not what I meant.

Add to that, that my power is to observe and try to guess right. If I made poems about scummy people but made no votes - that would be scummy behavior. I cast my personal vote based on my skill, knowledge and observation, in regards of achieving town win condition. Yes, I may lack the skill. Yes, my knowledge may be insufficient. Yes, my observations may be wrong. But that does not make me a suspect. It makes me a crappy town player. And this is the point where there are only two reasons why you would point finger at me:
1. Either you make an assumption, that my lazy behavior may be scum related, resulting in me tunneling on Cloud, avoiding attention from other players. Or at the very least you are one angry townsman, following STU (Slaughter the Useless) theory.
2. Or you are scum, experienced in mafia games in general. You are looking for flaws in townies' behaviors. You know Cloud to be town, you compare my stinking vote to that fact. In your eyes - absolutely, me voting town player is anti town. And given your superior knowledge, you call me based on that flaw. But hey - it might have just revealed your true nature.

...

I only wrote reply to Drone now, did not read anything as planned. More often than not Drone himself seemed townier than scummier. But he is my priority in observing now. And I like to bite back.

[Drone]

I actually kind of like the idea of slaughter all useless.. But I won't lynch only for that.

How about a third possibility:
I could have not liked your post, so I voted you for answers?

Now I want something new, can I get your reads on players that are not me or Cloud, with a focus on Tenshii, Blake and Creature.

[Charloux]

Cloud seems like scum to me.
His push on Hellfire seems identical to when scum try to use me as lynch-bait. His hop on blake seems too convinient as well.
Hellfire-townlean
Cloud-scummy

[CloudKicker]

Cloud seems like scum to me.
His push on Hellfire seems identical to when scum try to use me as lynch-bait. His hop on blake seems too convinient as well.
Hellfire-townlean
Cloud-scummy

Sorry for pushing on my reads. If you actually read me then you would know that i second guessed myself constantly with new content from hellfire, which is the oppositve of what mafia does on lynch-bait. My read on blake isnt convenient, i literraly was 1st or 2nd to fos him and troughout the whole game i always said that while he was towny, something was off and he was my tr that might most likely flip scum.

Desmond push on me is absolutely terrible but i dont think maf would go after me rn and not like that, his tone is towny too

[CloudKicker]

Cloud seems like scum to me.
His push on Hellfire seems identical to when scum try to use me as lynch-bait. His hop on blake seems too convinient as well.
Hellfire-townlean
Cloud-scummy

Sorry for pushing on my reads. If you actually read me then you would know that i second guessed myself constantly with new content from hellfire, which is the oppositve of what mafia does on lynch-bait. My read on blake isnt convenient, i literraly was 1st or 2nd to fos him and troughout the whole game i always said that while he was towny, something was off and he was my tr that might most likely flip scum.

Desmond push on me is absolutely terrible but i dont think maf would go after me rn and not like that, his tone is towny too

[Charloux]

I forgot to clarify: I am following the game since page 13 and will keep it at that unless there is something specific i need to check. 466 Was my impression on you from Page 13 till now.

[Blakebtb23]

I forgot to clarify: I am following the game since page 13 and will keep it at that unless there is something specific i need to check. 466 Was my impression on you from Page 13 till now.

Why would you not read the whole thread?

[Creature]

Yeah, there aren't many pages.

[Drone]

Some people are lazy, and I have to say that from experience reading 10 pages is too much.. Can't blame Char

[Raskolnikov]

Creature do something.

[Raskolnikov]

Second guessing some things now rip.

Blake you haven't really said anything about drone since you voted him, why is that?