In post 1298, Creature wrote:Her posts.
That sounds like nonsense to me and you're just saying things for the sake of saying things. Same with your random scumreading then townreading Maria.In post 1299, Creature wrote:Hell, idk how to explain it, I am getting a different vibe from her.
When I played with town Creature he just posted reads list 24/7 with barely any reason but normally he has one this random change is new to meIn post 1301, Hoopla wrote:Is anyone here familiar with Creature and how he plays? Does he just say things without reason and then change his mind without reason?
Pretend for 5 seconds that this is a 13p game and thus likely to have a 3p scumteam.In post 1275, BlackVoid wrote:Yeah, I wasn't a fan of that Hoopla post either although I felt Sotty7's D1 play had almost no town motivation. I'm considering whether TwoFace was killed because he had Sotty7/Hoopla pegged as a team as opposed to me who argued that they weren't partnered.
Yup.In post 1276, BlackVoid wrote:Wait, I seem to have glossed over this but the last thing you said about me was that I could be scum and then you have me in your top town list?
I'm assuming you think Rask's case is town and misguided? Still wondering what your response would be. He's not wrong that you didn't do much around deadline to push Victor over GreyICE.
Need to think this over. This game is hard.
Yup.In post 1277, Creature wrote:lol you're strong townreading MariaR.
In general, I haven't gotten the sense that she's trying to make any friends/doesn't seem to care what people think.
I was just about to dump some data, but then I realised this might influence scum's fakeclaim actions and there's a chance we can catch multiple scum if I hold onto that info until we massclaim. Regardless, it's highly likely we can discern the truth of the mason claims upon massclaim.In post 1303, goodmorning wrote:@Hoopla RE: spec: There are probably 3 Scum, not 2, so who's to say what Scum might/might not be willing to do? Also, 3 Town PR +2 Mason wouldn't be outside the realm of possibility in most folks' opinions.
I, too, am a data collector. I'm not going after Victor today, as you may have noticed.
But all this theory is hiding the fact that you're not actually doing anything!
I'm still trying to figure out how meaningful Creature's wafer thin reads are and if it's actually suspicious. The only good point in your favour is how stubbornly you're trying to keep Victor as a suspect... I don't see scum take that approach to mason claims very often. Buuuuut, I'm still keeping my vote here.In post 1303, goodmorning wrote:hoopla, you realize that if what you're implying about creature is true, i'm much more likely to be town? i don't know that that's something you ought to have picked up on given that you're voting me.
But doesn't it work just as well for scumGM to say the lynch is inevitable, reason a switch to Grey and have a Victor vote in her back pocket to go back to? Your case reads pretty well really until you get to your conclusions. A lot of it seems based on how you personally would have played either side of the situation. Bringing up GM's experience and saying you are disgusted this might be an option for her play is pretty manipulative. Players make mistakes and players have different styles. You can say you don't think this theroy fits the crime but to paint it as this is the worst possible option out of all the options is too extreme to buy in all the way.In post 1262, Raskolnikov wrote:A bit of a simplification here.In post 1238, Sotty7 wrote:This is a stretch. If GM wanted Grey gone she would have voted him. There was plenty of time for her to switch and she had been scum read BBT at the start of the game.In post 1183, Raskolnikov wrote:It's not trollweirdscum, he had scum motivation for his actions. He wanted to cast doubt on people for mislynching greyice and definitely used that (IAI), and even though out of his victor read he couldn't "support" the wagon, he wanted greyice gone anyways as an experienced player so he didn't comment. His ISO is pure casting doubt on people with barely any push or commitment behind it, read what his focus was around the mid/end of yesterday.
If you want to cast shade on people for being on a wagon you don't switch to that same wagon yourself. My point was there wasn't much reason for scum-gm to push victor over greyice, as though greyice did townread gm he was still a potentially threatening player to scum overall; my point was there were reasons scum gm would be happy to have that happen as well. Casting doubt and have grey go through was better than the scum-alternative choice for gm, is my point; assuming victor town if he had been lynched instead it wouldn't have been as easy for goodmorning I think, not having it go through means she didn't have to change any stance. Not to mention that outright scumreading/pushing greyice would have potentially put gm in the firing line of him or others and invited people to ask questions there. I can see the point that she maybe could have just kept a minor scumread on greyice with BBT's play as reasoning, but I don't think it's by any means that simple. For starters, other scum on the greyice wagon would incentivise gm to have held this stance as an alternative.
I'll admit that I didn't click all those links, but if she really doesn't spend a lot of time on IAI then you have a strong point as far as a "lazy vote" ~ I'll pick though the ISO later tonight. I personally like the IAI vote not necessarily on the strength of GM's position but because I think he could be scum. He came into yesterday with no earth shattering reads, which in itself isn't that damming. But now he is apparently fully caught up and yet is still very much standing on the outside looking in. No vote. Waiting on me, waiting on Hoopla. It feels like he is waiting for someone to come up to him and say it's okay IAI, you can vote Sotty! You can vote Hoopla. He's not scum hunting he's stuck in the mud and doing a lot of nothing.In post 1264, VictorDeAngelo wrote:So she's all alone on the IAI wagon and yet once again she's doing nothing. No case, no attempt to interact with IAI, no attempt to move anyone else onto the wagon. It's classic lazy scum voting.
What do you think of the IAI vote Sotty?
She was inactive in her latest game as scum, yeah. But I looked at her wiki to see what else she's capable of and she's got a lot of scum wins under her belt. In some of them, her team was pretty close to losing and she turned it around really well.In post 1285, Hoopla wrote:I'm not particularly suspicious of Sotty anymore. I found the meta analysis of her being more active as town and quiet as scum convincing.
lol wutIn post 1309, I Am Innocent wrote:Sotty that's a no no and you know it. Why are u pushing for a claimed masons read on me...role fishing?
Yeah but at the same time doubting the claim is easier for gm than coming up with new reads, and she can maintain everything from yesterday without change. And mason claim makes it an easy scumread because you're not expected to do that much about it. I agree it brings attention though I already voted her at that point.In post 1304, Jaack wrote:In general, I haven't gotten the sense that she's trying to make any friends/doesn't seem to care what people think.
More specifically, I don't think that scum would so strongly doubt your claim, at least at this point. It's the type of thing that draws unnecessary attention.
In post 1144, goodmorning wrote:now that he's claimed Mason (which is totally not Scum's favourite FC or anything, nope).
Actually GM back this up. You've seen scum fakeclaim mason more than once? Link it.In post 1174, goodmorning wrote:Are you saying you think Scum don't fakeclaim Mason? Because I have a nice bridge to sell you.
I'm town and I doubt the scumteam is sotty/maria/hoopla through hoopla-maria interaction (read hoop iso), so you're wrong.In post 1312, BlackVoid wrote:Okay, so update on 1021. I had a group of six not-townreads. We lynched one and Creature has since been very town which leaves just four. The town are Victor, IAI, goodmorning, Cloud, Jaack, and Creature.
This leaves Sotty7, MariaR, Hoopla, and Rask. If the townie among the four of you could please raise your hand, do a backflip, and say "I'm a townie," that would be much appreciated. I'm chucking out the connective tells by the way. Some are tenuous. Just straight up POE would help.
Stuff I need to do when I get back to this game later:
1. Explain the goodmorning townread for Victor who is clearly town and on that wagon.
2. Dig into the ISOs of the foursome to see who's town. I'd prefer the backflip though so if you can, you should do it.
In post 1308, Sotty7 wrote:It feels like he is waiting for someone to come up to him and say it's okay IAI, you can vote Sotty!
I never thought that someone would be you!In post 1316, Sotty7 wrote:Place your vote, even if it's on me.
