Newbie 1752: Wave - Game Over

[Blakebtb23]

@drone, I dont think buddying should be only seen as a scummy move. Part of my goal as town is to not get mislynched, so if I think buddying up to rask will help me not get mislynched, then that is a towny move and that is why I buddied up to rask

[Drone]

Kyouku, I've been on Blake before though.. It's not only me taking your words to my considerations.

[Drone]

@Blake
You didn't say that day 1, you were busy trying to come up why I'm scum.

[Blakebtb23]

Yes I didn't say "hey guys I'm buddying up to rask" because buddying is seen as a scumtell, but I think it shouldn't be seen as scummy because it can be effective for town as well, especially newer town

[Drone]

It's a odd you say you read town so strongly that you sheeped and buddied Rask and.. Now they're dead.
And after they are dead, you come out saying you buddied them.

[Drone]

Blake. I think I need more reasons to not vote you than reasons to vote you.
At this point I'm starting to feel like I can paint the big picture.

[Drone]

If Tenshii is your scumbuddy, that is.
If not, then it's still quite complicated.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

What posts specifically are you referring to when each of these events are occurring? Quote them. Where are you at in regards to Drone/Charloux now? Without regard to any other reads, i.e. because you scumread me and Blake, Drone is town.

Almost forgot about this with the night cycle. Hopefully the above post with all the post links gives you an idea of what I was reading when I saw these events. I can only be sure of Cloud, and he is town. Charloux still hasn't posted enough to give me an idea of where he's at, but I was satisfied enough to postpone him for D2 after his 575. Drone feels town but he could be deceiving me. This is why I continue to question Drone as he votes for Blake. If Drone is the scum and he just sheeps me he can blame MLs on me.

[Drone]

I'll repeat myself, Kyouku I'm on Blake since d1.

[Drone]

There's a specific reason why I'm on Blake and not Tenshii. Not because he's already being voted.

[Blakebtb23]

I think the only person who voted Hellfire yesterday and thought he was scum was you cloud, and I'm not even sure if you thought he was scum. I understand why he was lynched (see the end of raskol's ISO), but I think everyone involved knew he was town. I don't know what Drone or Charloux thought of him. They may have been in my boat, sure he was town and unwilling to intentionally lynch town even for policy reasons. I don't even think it makes sense to lynch him over no-lynch now that I think about it. Assuming mafia won't NK him because he's claimed VT, mafia are no more likely to hit power roles than they would be if he was lynched. Either way, they are aiming at the same number of people, only now, town has 1 less vote in the day. I think raskol's intentions were good but reasoning was flawed. I'm not rushing this lynch, but I'm not prepared to back down from this. I agree we need Tenshii, Creature, Charloux content.

pedit: Blake - If you think Drone is town being misled by scum Desmond/Me slot, then what makes you think that I'm conjuring up these arguments out of thin air? If you could persuade me I was wrong about this I might reconsider it. Right now nothing I'm seeing from you is making me second guess myself. I think if you were town I would be getting bad vibes about this.

I don't think you're argument is out of thin air, I think it's very valid and you are less scummy now in my eyes. If Tenshii never backed me up then I would think he's scum because what you said about tenshii makes sense. But backing up a suspicious town(me) twice doesnt make sense to me. Tommorow I'm going to reread you and read creature and charlouxs slots and see from there because those two are still suspicious to me

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Didn't read your exchange with Blake before posting since I was replying to Tenshii at the time, didn't expect anything in those posts to warrant a pedit. Keep your reasons for now if you feel better about that, I trust that if you're town your reasons may be the nail in the coffin

[Charloux]

Checking in, and i see no one even bothered to do a vote analysis. Who was the guy who proposed a policy lynch (Cloud right?) That idiot is most likely town... Kyouko's behavior around the hammer feels town as well, why bother with Blake when you can hammer in the name of policy lynches! Drone and i weren't online at that time, so nothing can be said about us. But Drone should be obvtown, so that should leave the lynchpool for everybody down to Tenshii, Blake, Creature and me. It's easier for me to decide who to vote though:

VOTE: Blake L-1

[ssbm_Kyouko]

This is definitely too rushed. If we lynch him now and he flips scum we might not find the right partner. If he flips town and Mafia NKs a townie we'll be at MyLo. That's worst case scenario. I urge town to unvote until we get to the bottom of this. If Tenshii is scum and Blake is town Tenshii might hammer Blake to claim I was wrong about them when Blake flips town. We need to corner scum.

[Charloux]

UNVOTE: Blake I think he should claim regardless

[Drone]

L-2 is good enough. Char, tell me your reads on scum candidates

[Drone]

@Kyouku
But then we'll lynch Tenshii and we won't be in mylo.

[Drone]

Cloud town
Kyouku in town slot (open for changes)
Char is on null slot
Creature null
Blake scummy
Tenshii scum.

VOTE: Tenshii
I don't like Tenshii's low activity.

[Charloux]

L-2 is good enough. Char, tell me your reads on scum candidates

Well, this sucks... I work on deduction, motivation, reasoning and gut, so asking me for a read puts me in a tight spot. So, basically, if i can't prove why i'm town over them, then town loses... Every mylo i was participating in ever.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

What if it's creature/char and they've been coasting the whole time? I need some sleep for now, my brain is getting tired. It makes me a little uncomfortable to see your read list be almost exactly what mine would be at this time, only exchanging me for you. I'd rather lynch Tenshii than Blake though if he stays as quiet as he has been. Blake's at least responding to the pressure. I want something close to a unanimous agreement on who to lynch before we vote if at all possible. That way everyone who is town can be comfortable knowing that there are at least 2 town who think the same as them.
For example, if 5 of us agreed that blake was probably scum, and we decided we should lynch him, that's best case 5 townies agreeing and he flips scum, or worst case 3 townies and 2 scum agreeing and he flips town. If 6 people can agree to lynch someone then we know that 3 or 4 town also agree.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

We should also talk about why we think raskol died. I noticed Creature said vaguely "well that helps" and then just voted Tenshii, but that keeps us in the dark. What about Raskol getting NKed made you suspect Tenshii as the scum specifically?

[Charloux]

He died because he was a town-read SE.
Longer explanation:
scum tend to go after SE's because The IC(If town) is most likely to be protected by a doctor. Rasko, especially, always get's killed N1 if he is town
They were also PR hunting, so it was like 2 birds with one stone.

[grapes]

DAY 2 VOTECOUNT 01

Tenshii (2):

Creature, Drone

Blakebtb23 (1):

Cloudkicker

ssbm_Kyouko (1):

Blakebtb23

Not Voting (3):

Charloux, ssbm_Kyouko, Tenshii

With 7 votes in play, 4 are needed to lynch.

Deadline: (expired on 2016-11-22 20:30:02)

The Human League - Don't You Want Me

[Drone]

I know not to worry about Raskolnikov's alignment on day 1, what I've been looking for is those who go with them the most. In our case, Tenshii and Blake.
After the flip, I became sure that it's almost guranteed that one of them is scum.
Siding with a globally agreed town and then nking that player is a smart way to earn town points.

@Creature
Why did you vote Tenshii so quickly? If you explain as much detailed as you can, it will help me tons.

@Kyouku
Don't know about Char, but I'm getting a hint about Creature.

@Blake
Who's Tenshii's scumbuddy in your opinion? Assuming that Tenshii flips scum.

[CloudKicker]

Well, one thing for sure:
I'm not intending to rush this day. I have some things I want to check before.
@Cloud naturally, you especially need to think some things through, but your jump on Blake only because of Rask's reads is a bit contradictory.

@Blake, the fact Rask was killed n1, and you saying that you found them a strong town so strong that you sheeped them, doesn't give you town points, if not the opposite.

My dear friend, i aint pushing on blake because of rask's reads but mine, i am the one who scumread him just before the lynch