Mini Normal 1844 Firework Mafia. Game Over

[mhsmith0]

Btw, feel free to skim my early day two talking about my conclusion that trans was NOT scum because ccc did NOT die n1. THAT was why I protected him, because I was tinfoiling on trans, and figured scum!trans would likely kill ccc.

[mhsmith0]

Also jae you can look at my hood chat to see how I was working on Io with fake setup spec and trying to divert her to a maybe PR (no point saying who here), in case that person died (in which case I'd have hard driven an Io lynch today).

[mhsmith0]

Also I was trying to super down play my role especially since she'd speculated in hood I was doc, since I REALLY didn't want to get shot last night for obvious reasons.

[Impoetic]

Before sonia locks the thread, i may not be here at the start of day tomorrow.

NO ONE VOTES PERIOD.

UNDERSTOOD?

Scum will blitz your vote if you make an incorrect vote.

Wanna have this here for the start of tomorrow.

1. Nice trolling Cloud. You tricked even ME

2. This needs death right here, right now.

VOTE: rb

Just highlighting the obvious.

What, that Transcend changed his approach when it turned out it wasn't LYLO? I don't understand what's supposed to be obvious to me here from those two posts :s

[JaeReed]

Yeah no I believe you. I was wondering why that timing with the visitor claim, and the way you reacted to me speccing about you being a doc in thread supports the claim.

Plus there's the incoming quotes which prove Titus is not likely actually the doc.

[JaeReed]

I wonder if fakeclaiming VT as town doc is something anyone has ever done before? ROFL.

Sorry I know it's bad for town but that's so shit I have to laugh.

At least my read on Cloud being a potato, albeit a town potato, is now proven correct.

Never go full potato Cloud.

This doesn't look like a slot that is the real Town Doctor with Cloud's fakeclaim.

[mhsmith0]

Well frankly the visitor thing was partially me tinfoiling and panicking after seeming mislynch and trash!town showing by cloud. So basically if I survived jae was conf!town (and maybe gets a useful result) and if not then game over lol.

[JaeReed]

Wait why the hell did YOU believe Cloud was a doc? O.o

[mhsmith0]

Even night doc. Would make sense given my odd night. I think he claimed just the one n2 visit?

[mhsmith0]

I mean we can still mass claim for the lulz, but unless we think after mass claim that full doc + odd night doc is plausible setup wise I'd say that Titus is basically outed (sorry Titus <3 )

[Transcend]

Oh doc cc's

I'll investigate further when I'm home

I'm 90% gonna cast a vote for Titus tho

Also I'm blue

[JaeReed]

Jae - Town Tracker
Io - Town Neighborizer
Smith - Town Odd-Night Weak Doctor
Transcend - Vanilla Townie
Hermie - "Vanilla Townie"
VWXYZ - Vanilla Townie
Impoetic - Vanilla Townie? (check your role pm Impo, I don't trust myself to read your role by play after I realized you frequently forget your role)
Titus - "Town Doctor"

That's about right isn't it?

[JaeReed]

Also, yeah, sorry Titus <3

[mhsmith0]

So presuming all VT claims, ? is if

1-shot gs
Odd night weak doc
Tracker
Neighborizer

Is enough power against a 3 goon team. It's fairly obvious my role is swingy as hell (again, smith GOAT ), so it becomes whether it's overall enough to counter a potential n1 derp by my role. I tentatively say yes, though obviously if scum have power (role block strongman etc) it's at least conceivable that Sonia went weird w town design. Titus like 90% wolf here tho I think.

[Impoetic]

@Jaereed I said role, not alignment, and you should know i'm town again because of mechanics here. As in, I forgot I was VT a couple times and had to check my role to make sure i didn't have night actions to submit. Doesn't mean I'd forget if I were in a PT.

[Impoetic]

Is enough power against a 3 goon team. It's fairly obvious my role is swingy as hell (again, smith GOAT ), so it becomes whether it's overall enough to counter a potential n1 derp by my role. I tentatively say yes, though obviously if scum have power (role block strongman etc) it's at least conceivable that Sonia went weird w town design. Titus like 90% wolf here tho I think.

Yeah, aren't multiple people w/ basically the same claim generally treated as CCs?

Not to mention Titus claimed only after being guiltied and that her claim was relatively basic compared to yours, in a way that you think 'yeah, scum would claim like this' even without another person claiming the same role. At first I wanted to TR the "as confirmed towny..." posts from her but right now I think that would be easily faked, especially by someone so well-known on the site.

I'm not sure about Transcend anymore though. His reads so far not lining up with reality is something I wouldn't expect from town!him and his reaction to Titus seems forced to me -- though I could easily be hallucinating.

[JaeReed]

Titus like 90% wolf here tho I think.

Given a few things...

1) Her predecessor's interactions with Cloud
2) Her predecessor's non-reaction to Cloud's doctor claim
3) The fact that her apparent first priority upon replace in was to ISO her predecessor to try and work out who to protect (I'll be blunt here; I don't think Titus would do this as town, because it's akin to trusting someone else's judgement over her own. I don't think she operates that way).
4) She said she liked me and skimmed my ISO to see the claim. I have 2 pages in my ISO, and a lot of it is petty fights with Io, CCC, and Smith, and earlier on, it was coasting the everliving fuck out of this game and sheeping like mad. Skimming my ISO to see my claim would be pretty impressive for someone who doesn't generally read the thread upon replacing in, for one, since it'd be pretty hard to reach my claim through all the crap going on in it, and then you also have to think about the play that she would have seen in my ISO during it. Considering she has seen my play from a mod perspective (Shadowrun) when I've been town and trying, I really doubt that her conclusion upon skimming my ISO was "this is a good protect". Especially given it's Titus we're talking about.

I don't think she can be anything but scum here. Especially because she took the mentor-like interactions where I'm fairly sure she knows how uncertain I can get, and how easy it is to pocket me.

Spoiler:

now watch her flip town q.q like I can't even begin to explain how bad I will feel if she is town here.

[Impoetic]

wait

Oh doc cc's

I'll investigate further when I'm home

I'm 90% gonna cast a vote for Titus tho

Also I'm blue

never mind the transcend thing i musth ave missed stuff.

[JaeReed]

@Jaereed I said role, not alignment, and you should know i'm town again because of mechanics here. As in, I forgot I was VT a couple times and had to check my role to make sure i didn't have night actions to submit. Doesn't mean I'd forget if I were in a PT.

Read my post.

It's a claim sheet. I was questioning whether you were just VT or a PR because I know you've forgotten your role in past games.

I did not at any time question your alignment. You are conftown. Stop being so kneejerk defensive over it.

[Impoetic]

I wasn't being "kneejerk defensive." Your claim sheet, which I had never heard of before, had several claims in quotes so I thought the question mark was representing uncertainty about my alignment at first, the same way you were uncertain about my alignment two games ago when I was almost conftown. >:|

Anyway, I feel like it might be optimal to lynch in VT claims here if there's any doubt about Titus' alignment whatsoever, but maybe I'm just spazzing out. I mean, it probably doesn't matter, but...

[Titus]

I wonder if fakeclaiming VT as town doc is something anyone has ever done before? ROFL.

Sorry I know it's bad for town but that's so shit I have to laugh.

At least my read on Cloud being a potato, albeit a town potato, is now proven correct.

Never go full potato Cloud.

This doesn't look like a slot that is the real Town Doctor with Cloud's fakeclaim.

You are misinterpreting those posts.

He's saying the theory that Cloud is fake claiming Doctor is preposterous. Look at his tone. The entire time, RB thinks we had hit scum because of this trolling.

[Titus]

There is zero reason for the real doctor to CC a hammered man claiming doctor.

I was pretty wasted and depressed last night.

We move on.

VOTE: mhsmith0

He tried to postulate Cloud was the doc JaeReed. You're being hyperconcerned about pocketing that you are not thinking rationally.

[JaeReed]

I wonder if fakeclaiming VT as town doc is something anyone has ever done before? ROFL.

Sorry I know it's bad for town but that's so shit I have to laugh.

At least my read on Cloud being a potato, albeit a town potato, is now proven correct.

Never go full potato Cloud.

This doesn't look like a slot that is the real Town Doctor with Cloud's fakeclaim.

You are misinterpreting those posts.

He's saying the theory that Cloud is fake claiming Doctor is preposterous. Look at his tone. The entire time, RB thinks we had hit scum because of this trolling.

The posts read fake. My interpretation of that tone is they read fake because Cloud is his buddy, and as such he knows he's not the doc but is trying to make it seem like he doesn't.

You're saying they read fake tonally because he knows Cloud isn't the doc because he is the doc, correct?

[mhsmith0]

I wonder if fakeclaiming VT as town doc is something anyone has ever done before? ROFL.

Sorry I know it's bad for town but that's so shit I have to laugh

.

At least my read on Cloud being a potato, albeit a town potato, is now proven correct.

Never go full potato Cloud

.

This doesn't look like a slot that is the real Town Doctor with Cloud's fakeclaim.

You are misinterpreting those posts.

He's saying the theory that Cloud is fake claiming Doctor is preposterous. Look at his tone. The entire time, RB thinks we had hit scum because of this trolling.

Actually he's pretty explicitly calling Cloud a town dumbass, not a caught scum. Like, literally he's reacting with "I totally think Cloud is town here" text.

[mhsmith0]

@Titus: here are cleared townies

me
Jae
Impo

if you want to argue that you're a for real doc, you need to

1) Figure out a scum team that actually makes sense given the clears
2) Figure out how a full doc and an odd night weak doc make sense in setup

because you have literally no chance of getting me lynched here. My postings have been EXTREMELY consistent with my role, including my n1 visit to CCC and its result, my reaction to cloud's seeming game throw was EXTREMELY difficult to fake, and my talk in the hood was completely consistent with trying to potentially fake out Io if she was somehow scum.

Zero of these things are reasonably within my scum range.