STEVEN UNIVERSE 2 - GAME OVER

[mastin2]

Basically, the reason I think the game's on lockdown...
I've made like half a dozen groupings of "this group" versus "that group", of one scum in each.
If I effectively crossreferenced those different groups, then all of the different "this group versus that group" pairings should, in theory, when overlapped...give us only one pair, one team, where there's a member of both groups. To my head, that'd be something like kraska-Creature, but I haven't done my work yet.

In the Shadow/Shiro/Creature group, I see it as Creature > Shadow > Shiro right now.
In the Fuzzy/farside/kraska/RR group, I see it as kraska > farside > Fuzzy > RR right now.

In the kraska/RR/farside(/Almost) group, I see it as kraska > farside > RR right now.
In the Shadow/Shiro/Creature/Fuzzy group, I see it as Creature > Fuzzy > Shadow > Shiro right now.

I do not believe SirCakez was an all-town wagon.
So Shiro/kraska/RR should have one scum in it. (

Reasonably Rational:

Given you know your alignment, and given your townread on Shiro, what do YOU think about the SirCakez wagon? Do you think kraska is scum bussing, or do you think it was an all-town wagon? Those are literally your only two options.) There, I go kraska > RR.
The SirCakez wagon almost by necessity (barring kraska/Shiro) has one scum minimum off of it: Fuzzy/Creature/Shadow/farside.
There, I get Creature > Fuzzy > farside > Shadow.

I do not believe DGB was an all-town wagon. So, Creature/Fuzzy/Shiro/farside has 1-2 scum in it;
kraska/RR/Shadow has 0-1 scum in it.
Creature > Fuzzy > farside > Shiro.
kraska > Shadow > RR.
Fuzzy/Shiro/Creature should have exactly one scum in it.
Creature > Fuzzy > Shiro.

No matter how I look at it, my lynch order isn't changing.
Creature/kraska > Fuzzy > farside > Shadow > RR/Shiro.

And this makes sense from pair perspective, too.
Creature-kraska
kraska-fuzzy
Creature-farside
Creature-Fuzzy
Creature-Shadow
kraska-Shiro
Creature-Shiro

Most likely to least likely pairings assuming one of them minimum being scum. (Though, I'll need to double-check with the possibility of Skybird having a double-vote during Beachapalooza and the implications thereof. Because if she did, that would potentially open up things like, say, farside-kraska, depending on the team math.)

[mastin2]

If we were to follow what I wanted to do...
VOTE: kraska.
We would be lynching kraska today.

I'm putting a vote out there to put a vote out there, because I'm expecting nobody else to also be voting kraska, yet to make it clear that if this decision were purely mine and mine alone to make, kraska would be the lynch.

If I were to make a decision that took others' viewpoints into account, by FAR the lynch of the day would be Creature. Right now, that lynch has my blessing: I think it'll hit scum with a very high chance realistically speaking. I can't really oppose that for anything other than purely selfish reasons, now, can I? So it's probably what we'll end up doing. Creature is likely to be scum. He is also viewed as scum by the majority of people.

Soyeah.
I have to ask people:

If you think Creature is scum--and most of you do--who do you think is his partner?

I've been showing the things which make me think it's kraska. But what do YOU think?

[kraska77]

I think it'll hit scum with a very high chance realistically speaking

You also said that about all the other town lynches you strongarmed
Ideally I should be surviving till lylo or atleast the next season finale to atleast make some use of my abilities.p But truth be told, ever since I fell behind on late day 1 and early day 2, I've had little to no idea what was going on. My cluelessness is probably a liability to town at this point so go ahead and lynch me bc Martin won't stop vomiting long walls of text (g*d knows how much time they put into writing those) until im gone

Anyway shadow and shiro are still scum, creatures town. I have confidence in my reads and all my townreads have been correct so far.
Foxbird allying with akybird means little when you take into consideration the fact that farside is the one who suggested the match and they had no reason to deny especially since they recognised the context that prompted far to suggest the match (far modded a recent game where both sky and Fox were scum)

[kraska77]

Joining a 20+ player game with complex mechanics with a afk hydra partner was a mistake. I'm missing like 70% of the things that happened in this game, completely out of the loop when it comes to role mechanics and people's claims and etc

[kraska77]

It's interesting though that Mastin never checked me for guns when their scum read on me is pretty much the groundwork on which their entire perspective of the game is built

[mastin2]

My stance on cops is clear enough: the absolute LAST thing you do is investigate your damn scumreads.

And it's not like you have a right to complain.

I landed us a guilty we otherwise would not have received.

[kraska77]

Oh, and, the alliance....
That's still plenty weird
Can alliances be blocked? I mean even if that's possible I can't fathom a reason why ours was blocked
Maybe I have slept on fuzzy? I don't know....
It maybe some clown thought we're both scum? Can someone explain this?

[kraska77]

Shit I just re-read my role pm
I can't form alliances if stress is -2 or lower
Sorry fuzzy for being such a clutz

[mastin2]

I can't form alliances if stress is -2 or lower

Wait.
We were at -4 stress, slice of life, once before.
With the SnarkySnowman lynch, we went into the night at -4 stress.

You successfully allied with farside that day.

kraska.

You've got some 'splainin' to do.

[mastin2]

Like.
If you can't form an alliance at -2 stress or lower...
...Then why were you able to form an alliance with farside post-Snarky lynch when we were at -4?

I'm calling bullshit here.
We KNOW you allied with farside successfully, because of that day's event.
We absolutely KNOW it.

Yet now, you're claiming you shouldn't have been able to have formed something...which we KNOW you formed.

[kraska77]

o.0
you're right
I have no idea

[kraska77]

Can you check for me if the OP says anyhing about alliances always being successful on season ffinale? I'm having internet trouble here

[mastin2]

Furthermore, many roles will also gain unique abilities due to being in an Alliance.
Allying with other players will always resolve independent of all other abilities.
Unless otherwise stated, no ability will normally interact with each player's ability to Ally.
There are mechanics in this game which directly influence Alliances, including abilities that may allow a player to access Alliance PTs they are not a part of.

Relevant OP section.

So no, not really.

On policy alone if nothing else, I think the lynch order should be kraska/Creature > the other > farside right now.

Because my bullshit meter is off the charts.

[mastin2]

Hi I'm also so far out of the loop

Also if kraska was so out of the loop...why did kraska even submit an alliance with farside successfully?

[kraska77]

@varsoon can you confirm that my alliance with far was a mod error?

[kraska77]

Hi I'm also so far out of the loop

Also if kraska was so out of the loop...why did kraska even submit an alliance with farside successfully?

Huh? What does this have to do with that

[kraska77]

@varsoon can you confirm that my alliance with far was a mod error?

[mastin2]

It's another point against you.
You've been repeatedly claiming to be "out of the loop".
Yet your actions seem to suggest anything but. They seem to demonstrate you know precisely what you're doing at every moment.

[kraska77]

How does me submitting for alliances negate what I said about being out of touch with the game?

[kraska77]

Also shush about the "points against me" until varsoon comes and confirms that my alliance with farside was a mod error

[mastin2]

good then we're almost on the same page
i may be wrong about shadow, i guess, but his vote hopping is weird and none of his scumreads feel organic

Doing my reread I'd also like to point out this looks pretty blatantly like sucking up to conftown.

[kraska77]

Yeah yeah I'm flipping town though

[kraska77]

If I were suckin up to MoI I would have sheeped him on creature

[kraska77]

If this isnt a mod error then I have no clue what's going on......

[farside22]

One quick question to rr and shiro.
If you 2 have been in an alliance since day 4, why did your vote not count on day 5?