Mini Normal 1843 - Endgame

[goodmorning]

On Sotty7's claim - I don't buy her night actions. It seems too much of a co-incidence to me that one of Sotty7's biggest antagonist was nightkilled and the other was tracked by her.

It seems more likely she's scum, figured out that TwoFace and Jaack were her biggest threats during the night, killed one, and rolecopped/tracked the other.

With this as an assumption, you would also essentially have to assume that victor was scum as well. Neither TwoFace nor I would have been very likely mason partners for victor (I was voting him at the end of the day and TwoFace had a pretty nasty back-and-forth with victor). If sotty was a role cop, that would mean scum had two assets to find a mason and used neither of them for that purpose. I find that hard to believe.

I guess sotty could be a scum tracker with victor as a mason, but I definitely can't see sotty as a scum role cop with victor as a mason.

neither of these posts makes any sense.

[VictorDeAngelo]

prodge

I'll read up over the weekend

[CloudKicker]

On Sotty7's claim - I don't buy her night actions. It seems too much of a co-incidence to me that one of Sotty7's biggest antagonist was nightkilled and the other was tracked by her.

It seems more likely she's scum, figured out that TwoFace and Jaack were her biggest threats during the night, killed one, and rolecopped/tracked the other.

With this as an assumption, you would also essentially have to assume that victor was scum as well. Neither TwoFace nor I would have been very likely mason partners for victor (I was voting him at the end of the day and TwoFace had a pretty nasty back-and-forth with victor). If sotty was a role cop, that would mean scum had two assets to find a mason and used neither of them for that purpose. I find that hard to believe.

I guess sotty could be a scum tracker with victor as a mason, but I definitely can't see sotty as a scum role cop with victor as a mason.

I'm still concerned with cloud. It seemed like for most of the game whenever someone gave the slightest whiff that they thought he could be scum, he would immediately start scumreading them back, but 1447 seemed like a big shift away from that. My mental narrative is that I actually hit something that scumcloud knows is legitimately scummy and could stick and he shifted to damage control, but

I'm struggling with where to go further with this.

As for the Hoopla wagon and related breakdown of the sotty wagon, I'm actually feeling more confident in sotty being scum at this point then I was when I unvoted (where I was starting to doubt myself due to cloud's activities). D1, the BBT/GI wagon stalled and people unvoted on occasion, but it never collapsed at any point. The sotty wagon, meanwhile, collapsed as soon as I unvoted and started looking elsewhere. I think that points to some scum bussing but looking for an easy out. There's a lot of 'not totally buying that claim but whatever' going around as well which I think feeds into that theory as well. As for hoopla herself

I think lynching sotty is probably our best option at this point. There's been too much doubtcasting on sotty's claim to make it a neccessary target for scum N2 if she is town. Double that if we don't lynch scum today.

VOTE: Sotty7

maybe ure just wrong and im town you know. As for the hoopla shes L-1 and should claim

[MariaR]

VOTE: Jaack
Bad wagon is bad
obv scum is obv

[Raskolnikov]

@mod

V/LA saturday+sunday

[Sotty7]

Thought I unvoted, but whatever.

VOTE: Hoopla

L-2

Unvote, Vote: Creature

People are all up in arms about Cloud threatening to hammer me, but he did the same thing with Grey and it could easily be this Epic mafia style or whatever. Creature has now twice jumped onto blooming weak wagons with no thoughts or logic to back up either vote.

As for the Hoopla wagon and related breakdown of the sotty wagon, I'm actually feeling more confident in sotty being scum at this point then I was when I unvoted (where I was starting to doubt myself due to cloud's activities). D1, the BBT/GI wagon stalled and people unvoted on occasion, but it never collapsed at any point. The sotty wagon, meanwhile, collapsed as soon as I unvoted and started looking elsewhere. I think that points to some scum bussing but looking for an easy out. There's a lot of 'not totally buying that claim but whatever' going around as well which I think feeds into that theory as well. As for hoopla herself

People unvoted because of the claim from what I can tell. Not because you unvoted and looked elsewhere. Can you explain to me why you're debating if I could be a scum role cop or not, or why that makes any sense to do at this point? The two paragraghps at the start of this post make no sense to me. The whole post is disjointed. You could have just came out and said "I don't believe the claim" and revoted. It would have made more sense.

BV is really phoning it in at this point. See Rask at the end of day one.

[mhsmith0]

@mod

V/LA saturday+sunday

acknowledged

[mhsmith0]

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Hoopla ,

Hoopla (4)

goodmorning , I Am Innocent , Creature , BlackVoid L-2 ,

Jaack (2)

Raskolnikov , MariaR ,

Creature (2)

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Jaack ,

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CloudKicker ,

Day two deadline is Friday November 18, 1 PM PST. (expired on 2016-11-18 13:00:00)

With 11 alive, it's 6 to lynch!

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[CloudKicker]

Not voting gm or tracker claim today just so you guys know. VOTE: jaack

[CloudKicker]

Also if jack is scum sotty is town and vice versa

[CloudKicker]

And its funny how sotty seemingly defends me when i showed intent to lynch her, thats either scum buddying me or pr who sees town who isnt after a quicklynch

[Creature]

I don't think scum would vote the tracker that just claimed.

[Creature]

Also, Sotty7, pretty sure I mentioned Hoopla as one of my scum candidates and justified it.

[Creature]

Maybe town!Hoopla could've made 692, but I think Hoopla's staying too low right now.

[Creature]

like scum that don't want to be noticed.

[Creature]

In fact, Jaack's vote on Sotty7 strikes reckless, like when he attacked a cop-cleared player in Mini 1787.

[Sotty7]

I agree it was reckless and made very little sense in context with his post. I want him to explain his thinking a lot more than he did.

[MariaR]

Maybe Creature did flip scum...

[Creature]

Yes, I did there.

[Hoopla]

Sorry for my inactivity recently everyone. Just been dealing with some life stuff.

ANYWAY, I see a wagon has finally crystallised on Jack recently. Bonus points for some good town reads being on it. Soooo, I'm going to switch...

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Jack

[Creature]

Is Rask still too ridiculous to be scum?

[Creature]

Bonus points for some good town reads being on it.

Raskolnikov
MariaR

lol

[Hoopla]

^two delicious townies

you disagree?

[Creature]

I am starting to doubt the scumteam is you, MariaR and Raskolnikov so that's a plus.

[BlackVoid]

BV is really phoning it in at this point. See Rask at the end of day one.

Damn you Sotty7, I thought I worked my way into everyone's townreads and could relax but you have to call me out now. Here, let me write a wall so that silly townies will think "effort = town" and leave me alone.