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Post Post #5450 (ISO) » Sat Nov 12, 2016 7:01 pm

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Here is the simple issue, I can't have both the death note and bro's name to kill him, meaning lynching me is just plain dumb because someone is using the death note
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Post Post #5451 (ISO) » Sat Nov 12, 2016 7:03 pm

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Given ank and his conf bias I'm inclined to believe that BOTH ank and mew are scum
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Post Post #5452 (ISO) » Sun Nov 13, 2016 3:15 am

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Lynch Jason, win game
UNVOTE: Ankamius
VOTE: JasonWazza

Argument/Logic:
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Now, can we all agree that there is almost no way there are any more primary mafia members in the game? (I am finding it unlikely that 5:1 primary maf to secondary mafia is ever a thing, and that's like the only way that Jason doesn't have a DN today) And also that primary + secondary mafia can't have joint conditions as seen when Wisdom leads a lynch on Nero D1? This isn't a bastard game so there are no hidden WCs or anything like that. Ok, cool.

So let's establish something else.
Vecna - Kanzo Mogi - Town Even-Night Roleblocker - Night Two | Had the DN.
Wisdom gets the DN for killing him with it. Now, we can understand where the primary mafia DN kills were coming from (somewhere in Wisdom's team)


Harkonnen97 - Kiyome Takada - Primary Scum Reporter Variant (Motion Detector) - Night Five | No titling as well. Shot by "vig" Jason. Similarly to Vecna, it is safe to assume that Jason has the DN.
Wisdom - Teru Mikame - Primary Scum Original Death Note Holder - Day Six | This pretty much confirms that Wisdom was not holding the DN upon death, because note the wording "Original Death Note Holder". So he must have started the game off as a DN holder, yes? This basically says that "hey, I started with the DN, but I didn't die with it like Nero did"

Now, not lynching Jason is stupid unless you can explain why:
a) Wisdom would share/give the DN to 2ndmafscum!me or Ank when the two mafia teams have differing win conditions instead of your maf partner Hark is still alive from your POV on N5?
b) Wisdom has the "Original Death Holder" wording, implying that the Death Note is still out there and the DN/DNs didn't die with him.
c) A 4-2 setup with a vig on top of that makes any sense, if a) and b) are true?
d) How a 4-3 setup with vig!Jason makes any logical sense if both a) and b) are true?

Here is how I think it went down.
Scum Jason:
N5:
Choice: Kill a townie, or try to shoot Wisdom's partner.
*

Hark (DN Holder) dies, dropping DN to Jason
D5:
Jason uses eyes on Bro, and clearly outlines that he will hold his kill today. well, that's because he's using his DN to kill BRO tonight.
Trying to appeal to Basic
Wisdom dies, primary mafia team eliminated. Doesn't say that he was holding a DN upon day lynch.
N6:
Jason uses DN on Bro.
D6:
Jason is trying to bullshit his way into a win.

*
I do not understand why Jason shot Hark, but I'm guessing that he was worried about a battle between him and the primary maf team in a "don't get lynched first" battle where both Wis and Hark would probably be trying to get him lynched which is less desirable than a scenario with three town that has no idea what they're doing, and can try to push for a natural mistake.

One thing to note is the freebie kill on kraska and the missing kill on N3, but I don't see how that is relevant rn.

Anything I'm missing? If not, then both the "there's 1 scum between you two, so if we lynch either then we win, coz im town vig and ill shoot the other" and "you're both scum, lolz" scenarios are eliminated due to a) and b). Then if game doesn't end after today, this ignores the scenario where both Ank and Jason are scum aligned, but if my thought process is correct then I don't think Ank even has a DN in the first place. Make sure that Basic hammers, 100% of the time, because I revealed my flavour sooo if Ank scum is a thing that's covering our asses their as well.
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Post Post #5453 (ISO) » Sun Nov 13, 2016 3:25 am

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In post 5452, Mewtaph wrote: Here is how I think it went down.
Scum Jason:
N5:
Choice: Kill a townie, or try to shoot Wisdom's partner.
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Hark (DN Holder) dies, dropping DN to Jason
D5:
Jason uses eyes on Bro, and clearly outlines that he will hold his kill today. well, that's because he's using his DN to kill BRO tonight.
Trying to appeal to Basic
Wisdom dies, primary mafia team eliminated. Doesn't say that he was holding a DN upon day lynch.
N6:
Jason uses DN on Bro.
D6:
Jason is trying to bullshit his way into a win.
Hey Mew, if i had a DN from killing Hark, how did i not get detected with one?

Conf Bias go.
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Post Post #5454 (ISO) » Sun Nov 13, 2016 3:28 am

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Seriously, i like how BOTH of you are conf bias here, you are like screaming out that you are Secondary mafia goon 2/3.

Town in either of you would consider the fact that i could never have both a DN and a name, and consider that maybe just maybe, the other one is scum.

But no i'm the only way you 2 can win.
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Post Post #5455 (ISO) » Sun Nov 13, 2016 4:42 am

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If you are cleared from having a DN that day, then yes following you would make some sense. But at this point it looks like both of you are scum because I'm town. Sigh.
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Post Post #5456 (ISO) » Sun Nov 13, 2016 4:47 am

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Unless you don't believe our dead DN cop with a clear on me.

Then yes i can't have the name AND the DN to actually do anything with it.

But you guys keep strongarming me, because you are a scum pair.
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Post Post #5457 (ISO) » Sun Nov 13, 2016 5:08 am

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@Basic: Ok, how about this. As it stands, someone other than Jason has the Dn and I know its not me. NLing is probably town's best chance at winning this game out of every possible way today's lynch can go today from the information we have.

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Post Post #5458 (ISO) » Sun Nov 13, 2016 5:10 am

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^ And Jason shoots Ank or he gets instalynched the day after.
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Post Post #5459 (ISO) » Sun Nov 13, 2016 5:11 am

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I mean, you don't decide who i shoot, if anything Basic decides.
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Post Post #5460 (ISO) » Sun Nov 13, 2016 5:16 am

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Jason, you do realize that by making the argument that you can't have killed BROseidon by getting a death note last night, you also disprove the fact that Mewtaph and I are a scumteam, right?
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Post Post #5461 (ISO) » Sun Nov 13, 2016 5:17 am

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How so?
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Post Post #5462 (ISO) » Sun Nov 13, 2016 5:17 am

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Unless you think both of us are beyond stupid and decided only to start using it the day before LyLo.
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Post Post #5463 (ISO) » Sun Nov 13, 2016 5:18 am

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(It's actually most logical to take it close to LyLo due to the mechanics of the eyes but whatever)
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Post Post #5464 (ISO) » Sun Nov 13, 2016 5:18 am

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Plus, a 3-man secondary scumteam doesn't make sense with the setup.

Plus, you're still 100% guaranteed not to be town, so lynching anyone that's not you is completely idiotic for town.
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Post Post #5465 (ISO) » Sun Nov 13, 2016 5:19 am

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The eyes last for three fucking days. Time it so that you get three days worth of kills and even if it's timed wrong, you're still probably okay because you have two fucking scum members.
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Post Post #5466 (ISO) » Sun Nov 13, 2016 5:19 am

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Except one of you is 100% guaranteed to be secondary mafia, so lynching me is an auto loss for town.

Me being a Town Vig is still more likely then me having a deathnote :lol:
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Post Post #5467 (ISO) » Sun Nov 13, 2016 5:20 am

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In post 5457, Mewtaph wrote:@Basic: Ok, how about this. As it stands, someone other than Jason has the Dn and I know its not me. NLing is probably town's best chance at winning this game out of every possible way today's lynch can go today from the information we have.

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I think we literally have no way of winning this game, actually.
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Post Post #5468 (ISO) » Sun Nov 13, 2016 5:21 am

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In post 5466, JasonWazza wrote:Except one of you is 100% guaranteed to be secondary mafia, so lynching me is an auto loss for town.

Me being a Town Vig is still more likely then me having a deathnote :lol:
The setup says you're bullshitting, so no. You're not a vig.

So yes, the only possible chance town possibly has this game is to no lynch. So if you're going to keep pretending to be town, you'll be advocating for no lynching instead of this bullshit 2-scumteam push.
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Post Post #5469 (ISO) » Sun Nov 13, 2016 5:31 am

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I don't think town can win, but I'd much rather let secondary mafia win than Jason since at least their whole team didn't get caught within 2 days like every other anti-town faction.
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Post Post #5470 (ISO) » Sun Nov 13, 2016 5:32 am

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"I'd rather let myself win"
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Post Post #5471 (ISO) » Sun Nov 13, 2016 5:33 am

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Keep talking, SK.
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Post Post #5472 (ISO) » Sun Nov 13, 2016 5:34 am

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Again, i am a town vig.

And Again, you not acknowledging that chance means you are 100% scum.
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Post Post #5473 (ISO) » Sun Nov 13, 2016 5:34 am

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Oh? Tell me more about how I'm apparently confirmed scum.
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Post Post #5474 (ISO) » Sun Nov 13, 2016 5:35 am

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Oh? Tell me how lynching me is a logical decision, i'm glad to hear it scum bag.
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