Mini 1849 : DotA Mafia [R2 - SD] Game Over?!!

[Frozen Angel]

Vote Count 1.6

Lady Lambdadelta (3): Creature , Radical Rat , Sickofit1138
Frizzy Cola (3): Vaxkiller , BRantz , Lady Lambdadelta
Vaxkiller (1): Frizzy Cola
xSoniaNevermindx (1): Leonshade
Fire Assassin (1): xSoniaNevermindx

Not Voting (1): Fire Assassin

With 10 players alive it takes 6 votes to lynch.

Day 1 ends in (expired on 2016-11-21 20:45:00)

[Fire Assassin]

Congrats again on the new scummer Frozen!

[Frozen Angel]

Congrats again on the new scummer Frozen!

<3

[Sickofit1138]

And I'm a he by the way.

[Sickofit1138]

Congrats Frozen Angel!!

[Sickofit1138]

Did sickofit seriously hammer with no reason no claim? If this is ture DO NOT LET HIM LIVE TOMORROW! This goes in the same category as "accidental hammering", pure scum move I see it happen all the time now recently.

Scum-lean here. I've also seen a lot of scum push on that type of lynch.

[Leonshade]

Congrats FA!

Discard Claims:

Fire Assassin:

Sand King (strength)

Sickofit:

Winter Wyvern (intelligence)

Vaxkiller:

Dazzle (intelligence), Magnus (strength)

BRantz:

Tidehunter (strength)

Leonshade:

Wraith King (strength)

Fire Assassin, Vaxkiller, BRantz and Leonshade are all claiming to not strength heroes, so all their lynch barriers can be treated as normal, barring voting abilities. Vaxkiller is claiming to have an agility hero.

I discarded Wraith King because the hero is so scummy.

[Creature]

I think that's indirect rolefishing.

[Fire Assassin]

I think that's indirect rolefishing.

Do you think that's scummy?

[Fire Assassin]

Funny thing last time around I was Wraith King

[Creature]

I think that's indirect rolefishing.

Do you think that's scummy?

It's possible it's town unaware they're actually rolefishing lol

Though, if I say I discarded say some powerful town role, it indicates to scum I got an even more strong role.

[Fire Assassin]

Leon what do you think is scummy about Wraith King?
You have any opinions on people's alignments based on the discards at all?

[Fire Assassin]

I think that's indirect rolefishing.

Do you think that's scummy?

It's possible it's town unaware they're actually rolefishing lol

Though, if I say I discarded say some powerful town role, it indicates to scum I got an even more strong role.

All the roles have some level of power and it's pretty subjective to say one role is better than other I think.

The only way scum figure out roles is if we announced all discards.

[Creature]

Hmm, I thought Frozen would announce the discards.

[Fire Assassin]

Okay there is 34 heroes and 4 didn't even get assigned to players.

[Vaxkiller]

Leon what do you think is scummy about Wraith King?

Are you looking for an answer from him on this or anyone?

[Leonshade]

Organizing all this information helps us catch lying scum easier, and I especially think the strength hero wagon barrier is important information. There's still a ton of variety around the heroes.

I'm not going to draw any conclusions on player's alignments based on their discards, there are too many variables at play right now.

Wraith King is scummy because all the abilities mess around with voting, it feels like a hero designed to make mislynching easier. I probably wouldn't even pick the role as scum, claiming to have it would be a scumclaim in my eyes.

Liking

Fire Assassin

for town, let's say a town lean for now. He's trying to get good discussion going.

Sickofit

is also leaning town, I've liked their pushes and I liked the idea around the collaborative reaction test, even if it didn't work out. I do feel like allowing LLD to be in on the plan (even if she apparently didn't read it) eliminated the most important source of reactions, though.

I don't like

Vaxkiller's

reaction to the fakehammer, it rings as hollow when by that point it was obvious that it was fake. But I've scumread a town player for a similar thing recently, so I'm wary of using it as a tell now.

Don't like

Sonia's

uncooperativeness, but the lack of defensiveness/survival instinct in the face of her wagon doesn't strike me as scum-motivated.

Interested in sorting

Creature

, I've played with scum Creature before but it takes me a while to get a read on him. I think I'll take a closer look at them later. I do like his reads list, though I don't agree with the Sonia scumread (which I guess disappeared/weakened? But not in a way that strikes me as fake).

LLD

, her uncooperativeness does strike me as scummy. Putting Frizzy at L-1 without announcing it is really bad, and I don't like their reaction to being called out on it. Lurking early game and upping your posting only when being pressured also strikes me as scummy.

I like

Radical Rat

for their push on LLD.

I don't like

BRantz

townreading LLD for her reaction to the fakehammer, but that's a small thing for now. No read yet.

No thoughts on

Frizzy

yet, lurking.

And Leon's posting elsewhere.

Wow, this is doubtcasting to the nth degree, especially since I feel like defending myself here is skirting the edge of the rules. My one post in another game, especially when I already posted here before that post, cannot be considered avoiding this game.

Town

Fire Assassin
Sickofit
Sonia
Radical Rat

Null

BRantz
Frizzy Cola

Scum

LLD
Creature
Vaxkiller

VOTE: Creature

I also feel like the accusations of rolefishing are Creature just trying to throw shade on me, he's trying to make me into a viable mislynch target instead of trying to sort/pressure me.

[Leonshade]

Was ready to go null-leaning-town on Creature before I saw that post I quoted.

[Leonshade]

That post was six minutes after I made one post.

Creature's scum.

[Creature]

Even though I said you could be town unaware of that?

[Leonshade]

I did forget about that in my righteous indignation.

[Creature]

258 is actually like: "Leon, you're posting elsewhere, post something here"

[Leonshade]

My scumread on you might have been hasty, I just really didn't like that post.

UNVOTE:

[Leonshade]

Frizzy has done nothing this game besides votes, fluff and scumreading Vax for unexplained reasons.

[Creature]

What's your opinion on the wagon that suddenly went L-1 on him?