Micro 660: Triplicate Mafia - Game Over

[Gamma Emerald]

Day doesn't end until all groups lynch.
So you can hammer and not fully lynch.

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Accusations of scumminess based on voting are not applicable currently

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Easy VOTE: dbdub

If guilty is town great, if he's scum well, I owe him one.

Next time he's scum he owes me one
Lane you should know what I'm talking about you were there

[Gamma Emerald]

Easy VOTE: dbdub

If guilty is town great, if he's scum well, I owe him one.

Next time he's scum he owes me one
Lane you should know what I'm talking about you were there

I think I'm the only one in this site that doesn't remember everything, about their past games. I'm lucky if I remember who I played with unless something significant happened between us

Watch Dogs Blitz
That should jog your memory.

[Gamma Emerald]

Easy VOTE: dbdub

If guilty is town great, if he's scum well, I owe him one.

Next time he's scum he owes me one
Lane you should know what I'm talking about you were there

I think I'm the only one in this site that doesn't remember everything, about their past games. I'm lucky if I remember who I played with unless something significant happened between us

Watch Dogs Blitz
That should jog your memory.

oh this is interesting, I forgot you both were in that game. (I was scum in that game and I lurked out because I couldn't keep up)

what's your point here though, I can't parse your question?

p-edit: yeah. and neither of you were scum so I don't see the relevance

You said House towntold in a text and I believed you and dug myself into a great big hole.

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Frank is kinda a hypocrite

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oh yeah lmao, I was the traitor and he basically claimed scum to me in a private message and I figured the WIFOM would be worth

sorry about that Gamma

OK that's actually pretty funny
Did he say he was scum or just do something scummy?

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WISDOM GROUP ISN'T BEING VERY SMART

is this about the hammers
I was the smart one

[Gamma Emerald]

I have my own reads
Don't tell me how to do my job

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Not enough info yet for courage

This is a bad post

[Gamma Emerald]

yes, and in general

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@Frank: why did you call out Howard for voting?

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Pretty sure there's scum in wisdom

agreed

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Frank seems content about lurking out.
VOTE: FrankJeager

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VOTE: howard
Flipped a coin.

Town wouldnt vote like that.
I could just jump right over and lynch gamma right now.
Isnt that what you want me to do?

Explain this.

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Apparently what Frank said about Howard doesn't apply to him.
If you thought hammers were locked like that why would you even vote?
Also the coin flip seems scummy to me but it might be NAI

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Thats exactly what I think. If he voted first I wouldnt have voted at all.

Sure...

I hate saying reaction test. Because it skews the results.

There's reaction tests and then there's that.

Do you think town OR scum would have hammered there? So that doesnt really matter.

I don't get the question.
If you are town, you have to think there's a chance one of us is scum. Why would you give the opportunity to quickhammer to scum?

My Coin is VT as well.

The fact that you said "coin flip" made it feel like "I could vote either one equally".

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If he had voted me I wouldnt think it was as scummy

Huh?
If I was scum I could have hammered, if you were right about hammers.

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Tried to be slick about what? You keep alluding to this without saying what it is.

Part of your read on me is because I think youre scum and didnt unvote you. Why would I want to unvote you?

You are habitually framing the convo inaccuratly, and asking me empty questions.

My point is clear.

I voted. Town would probably wait and see what happens after that right? Nope howard doesnt even question a thing.

Scum would do EXACTLY as he did.

Your whole reaction to this thing stinks. More reason to not unvote.

So cock sure im scum, you arent even going to question gamma? Smelly.

OK let's see
If I was scum I could have quickhammered and locked votes FYPOV.
WHY WOULD YOU RVS IF YOU BELIEVED SCUM COULD QH SO EASILY?
Also nice throwing shade bud.

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thinking SAJ is scum in power group

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Accusations of scumminess based on voting are not applicable currently

I disagree

Can you explain why? When you admitted to overlooking the rule? Why stick with your initial read, when the reason you made the read is wrong? Answer GuiltyLion's question too

When i voted there was no info.

When howard votes, the game has already started.
Now ask your self what would scum do in his shoes.

1. Not vote-most town thing to do
2.vote frank- pretty null
3.vote gamma.- scum

Ding ding he picks 3. Like he doesnt even question me. Just "ok gamma it is"

I push him on it, and I still havent gotten an explanation.
He is just echoing gamma

I think I see the issue you have
He just took your word for being a VT
He was joking

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How the hell is voting gamma scum?

By itself it isnt.

But your scum read is based off that alone. It said so. He had 3 choices. Voting gamma is scummy according to you. But now you say by itself it isn't? When your own scum is based solely on that. What makes it scummy then?

Scummy doesnt equal scum.
I called him scum because he was scummy to see how he responded.

Now if i could get an answer from him as to why he would jump on gamma and not question me, that would be great. Why didnt he just wait to vote? Why didnt he vote me? Why is he ignoring our whole group now?

His reaction to this situation is scum.

How about you reread his post in the context of RVS

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And they don't stop bumping

that's funny

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thinking SAJ is scum in power group

There's a lot going on there. Elaborate please.

Dude's getting up in arms about Dunn's unvote was really scummy to me.

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Why is wisdom group lynching Frank, anyway?

Lynch Howard or Gamma

What the fuck?

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I wonder what scum will do if they are the last hammer, and their buddy is on the lynch block

Not like it's any different eh?
Thinking Courage could be the town group even more now.

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Lynch dbw in Courage to kill the lurkerslot, as I doubt scum is there.
Lynch SAJ or Dunn in Power.

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Why is wisdom group lynching Frank, anyway?

Lynch Howard or Gamma

What the fuck?

You wanna tustle?

Why do you tr Frank so hard?

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"so hard"

I don't, I think the rest of wisdom is scummy though, while frank isn't

What about the part where Frank overblows a RVS vote, while being a complete hypocrite?

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Town wouldnt vote like that.
I could just jump right over and lynch gamma right now.
Isnt that what you want me to do?

He says town wouldn't vote like that, but he just did before.

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Not

vote

like that

Vote like

that

I still don't get it

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Lol

Please help me see your logic

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I specifically want explantions for the post with the italics Frank

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I'd be voting howard

Cool cool cool.
Why

WAIT A FUCKING SECOND

[Gamma Emerald]

That first line
looks like some sort of scum communication
they said cool 3 times and then asked a question, meaning it was something else
I'VE PLANNED THIS AS SCUM BEFORE HNGGH

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That seems like a stretch Gamma.

Kinda is but I feel it in my core
THIS IS THE SCUM!

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I don't understand what it would be communicating

It could be saying something about changing focus

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That seems like a stretch Gamma.

Kinda is but I feel it in my core
THIS IS THE SCUM!

Frank and Dunn are your scum picks?

That or you and Frank.
I need to see who changed tune right after

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Yah SAJ is my best bet for a Frank buddy

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Would you vote Howard if you were in his group Secret?

As of right now, if i was in Wisdom, i would vote Frank

Before

After the recent posts by Frank, i poured over Howard's posts in more detail. I think Howard is scum and the following is my reasoning.

8 The initial jump on Gamma that was "RVS". Even without the ability for a quick hammer lockdown i wouldnt have done so considering the vote was there for 71 posts and i think if it was RVS and a joke vote that he would have unvoted quicker. Just my opinion, nothing too solidly scummy about the post.

79 The votes arent what i am pointing at this for. I am more concerned with the agreement on voting Arc if he could, no explaination and no reasoning. Just a poke towards Arc and a mindless sheep vote on her. I know i was sceptical of Arc when i voted her but that had a bit of reasoning and was a mixup not blind like this post.

131 Says he wasnt worried that his vote was on Gamma because it wasnt a quick hammer and there was no reason not to vote. I think this is a horrible attempt at covering up his Gamma vote. If we look at his post 8 vote and the post 79 Arc sentence, they both have 0 reasoning and he is just blindly jumping on people in my opinion.

134 Again, i think that his Gamma "RVS" vote was just a BS excuse for why he voted. I really think that Frank misunderstanding the rule is not a good point either. He says Frank could use that as a reason to being ignorance, call out someone being scum, and stick with his town story but i think Frank misunderstanding the rule was genuine.

178 His "expanded reasoning", if you can call it that, on Arc is both confusing and utter crap.

@ArcAngel9:

My posts when read in thread, or at least not quoted out of order, make perfect sense. Go back and read 79, 83-87.

They really dont make sense to me, just more bullcrap.

I don't buy into the VT versus townie argument. You dodged answering to "twisting words" thrice: 62, 65, 71 If you still can't see it, "I say it is your perception."Not parking options; being open. How does it compare to your lack of commitment to anything? "Scum found in Wisdom." (50), "Is scum lurking in Courage and Wisdom?" (77), and all of 176.

Can anyone explain how this makes sense?

IMHO thinking as one group all town today is a hindrance to finding scum or a divisive stance. I haven't done a full breakdown, but it appears that not lynching in a group is a bad decision.

Actually there IS only two scum to three groups right? So there must be an all-town group and at the end of the day the all-town group HAS to vote and it will be a mislynch seeing as they all are town. As far as i can understand, all groups have to lynch and cant no lynch right?

I REALLY think howard is scum. If he is lynched and flips scum then Gamma and Frank are confirmed town. If he flips town then i dont know where to look in that group.

After the post I referenced earlier

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It looks scripted.

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The fact Frank is not willing to even try to convince me reads given up scum to me

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Frank I'm rethinking my read on you but you're not helping yourself

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Switch the vote to Gamma. If he's scum it's in his best interest to be voting frank over howard right now, knowing howard will be lynched later. One of gamma/howard are scum

BAHAHA
Can we just conclude the day so I can see Frank's flip?

[Gamma Emerald]

[*]From day 2 onwards, in the event deadline is reached before a lynch has occurred, there will be a No Lynch. In the event there is a No Lynch within a group day 1, the mafia will decide who is lynched within that group, for more details, refer to this

[Gamma Emerald]

Howard, why are you voting Frank over Gamma?

I think Gamma is voting Frank because then he can push the lynch onto you the next day. I do not think Frank is scum

I'm actually not sure what I would do if Frank flipped town. I'm with qubixes a bit but I kinda feel there's a very slight chance it is TvT and my group is the all-town group

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I still feel Frank is the most likely scum

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*in our group
If I were scum it would be more advantageous to lynch Howard, as Frank would be easier to chainML

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Howard isn't the one acting super scummy.
If I were scum I'd lynch the townier one in the 1v1. It's simply the best play logistically.

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Also 'if I were scum I would do x' arguments are dumb and usually come from scum

I've done it several times as town

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http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=68345
Beginning of Day 3
Also this reeeks of desperation by Dunnstral.
Lynch him in the Power group.

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How come you were acting like you were trying to figure frank out but don't look at howard and stay parked on frank all game

Howard, you need to reconsider

Frank, you also need to reconsider

Because it seemed he was actually casing Howard on better things at one point

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Also this reeeks of desperation by Dunnstral.

what is Dunnstral desperate about?

Getting his buddy to not be lynched.
And I am acknowledging you Dunn: I think you're scum and I'm not changing course.

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Get your bump on, go play.

and they don't stop coming

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You didn't hammer Arc because your buddy is due to be lynched, Dunn.

[Gamma Emerald]

You didn't hammer Arc because your buddy is due to be lynched, Dunn.

OK, then let's lynch me and gamma at the same time.

I am actually perfectly fine with this and will self vote if we do this.

[Gamma Emerald]

OK
VOTE: Gamma Emerald

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Also this reeeks of desperation by Dunnstral.

what is Dunnstral desperate about?

Getting his buddy to not be lynched.
And I am acknowledging you Dunn: I think you're scum and I'm not changing course.

and if Frank is town? Why are you basing your read on Dunnstral on the assumption of scum!Frank?

If Frank is town then Dunn is probably town.
My read is based on scum!Frank because of Dunn's shouting to switch.

[Gamma Emerald]

I could see Dunn and Howard as scum

[Gamma Emerald]

I could see Dunn and Howard as scum

Yeah that's why I didn't hammer when the vote was on frank and arc

I've been calling gamma out for wanting to lynch both members of his group/keep them alive to make himself look better.

Yeah however you have been pushing me by a disproportionate amount

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Dunn's reasons for preferring me are "I don't care who dies in my group as long as it isn't me". Well that's a fucking lie because I'm self voting to push my scumread in another group.

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Switch the vote to Gamma. If he's scum it's in his best interest to be voting frank over howard right now, knowing howard will be lynched later. One of gamma/howard are scum

This. I stated what I thought it meant.

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Also, why would I self vote as scum? I doubt my group is so stuck in their tunnel they would force an NL, and doing that would be scum-motivated anyways, except that with the fact Frank doesn't get the damn rules he might not have understood that has it not been pointed out.

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You didn't have to self vote, Arc could have voted you.

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I used quotation marks because I was stating things how I remembered them, not because I was speaking FYPOV.

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I used quotation marks because I was stating things how I remembered them, not because I was speaking FYPOV.

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GDI
I knew that would be a double post the moment I doubleclicked the submit button

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Explain to me why you're considering a team of me and howard

Because your switch from "howard or gamma" to "gamma" doesn't feel well defined.

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Explain to me why you're considering a team of me and howard

Because your switch from "howard or gamma" to "gamma" doesn't feel well defined.

I'm willing to lynch Howard, though? Just not Frank

Also explain that I could have locked in the votes at arc, frank, qubix

Could you show me the window where you could have hammered?

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Wisdom group needs to reevaluate

This is all you said in that time.
What was your read on Arc then?

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Yeah that's not helping me see you as town.

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Also Dunnstral has been trying his hardest to lead the town by any means.

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Yeah my scumread on Dunnstral is now free from associations so GL buddy.

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Yeah that's not helping me see you as town.

I asked you to explain how it could be me and Howard, not to see me as town

It's one of those plays where it could be done just for the unlikeliness of it to be done by mafia.
Basically, you may have done it to WIFOM in case you got lynched.

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in case you got lynched.

If I was scum there and my partner wasn't being voted I'd have won the game. Wasn't getting lynched

No you wouldn't have. It would have gone into LyLo.

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in case you got lynched.

If I was scum there and my partner wasn't being voted I'd have won the game. Wasn't getting lynched

No you wouldn't have. It would have gone into LyLo.

Respond to this.

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what maakes you so sure

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Give me a reason.

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Why are you so sure Frank is town.

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You can't say that and expect me to believe you.

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Howard. Frank's push on him looks very scummy.

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Why ask me that question if you were going to say "well obviously"?

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UNVOTE:
I think my gambit worked anyways.

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Frank, I'd like it if you presented your case on Howard again. Is it just the vote and reaction to your vote?

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Looking back over Frank's ISO it's not his case on Howard that I have issues with. There's some shady stuff all over. Specifically throwing shade at the Courage group, which I think is all-town.
VOTE: Frank

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I wonder what scum will do if they are the last hammer, and their buddy is on the lynch block

This. My reads in each group reaffirms my read on others. So I am using a bit of circular logic in which group is all-town.

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Vote staying on howard.
So whats up gamma?
Tick tock
Btw not going to scum read tomorrow you in the event im wrong.
I would understand if you scumread me (slightly).

Looking back over Frank's ISO it's not his case on Howard that I have issues with. There's some shady stuff all over. Specifically throwing shade at the Courage group, which I think is all-town.
VOTE: Frank

"His case on howard isnt bad, and even though thats all hes talked about, Im going to scum read him" "oh yeah let me buddy the courage group.also im going to press howard on the points frank brought up tomorrow"
is what scum gamma would be saying here.

But town gamma would point out the shady posts so we can talk about them.

He would also give us insight into his CAT theory (Courage All Town)

[Gamma Emerald]

Vote staying on howard.
So whats up gamma?
Tick tock
Btw not going to scum read tomorrow you in the event im wrong.
I would understand if you scumread me (slightly).

Looking back over Frank's ISO it's not his case on Howard that I have issues with. There's some shady stuff all over. Specifically throwing shade at the Courage group, which I think is all-town.
VOTE: Frank

"His case on howard isnt bad, and even though thats all hes talked about, Im going to scum read him" "oh yeah let me buddy the courage group.also im going to press howard on the points frank brought up tomorrow"
is what scum gamma would be saying here.

But town gamma would point out the shady posts so we can talk about them.

He would also give us insight into his CAT theory (Courage All Town)

Oops. I was intending to ask how Frank progressed from the first post to the second.

[Gamma Emerald]

I think there is scum in Wisdom and Power (Frank and Dunn). This means Courage is all-town. The lack of conflict they seem to have feels like it comes from a group with no scum. My scum suspects have also behaved in ways that imply Courage is town.

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Vote staying on howard.
So whats up gamma?
Tick tock
Btw not going to scum read tomorrow you in the event im wrong.
I would understand if you scumread me (slightly).

Looking back over Frank's ISO it's not his case on Howard that I have issues with. There's some shady stuff all over. Specifically throwing shade at the Courage group, which I think is all-town.
VOTE: Frank

"His case on howard isnt bad, and even though thats all hes talked about, Im going to scum read him" "oh yeah let me buddy the courage group.also im going to press howard on the points frank brought up tomorrow"
is what scum gamma would be saying here.

But town gamma would point out the shady posts so we can talk about them.

He would also give us insight into his CAT theory (Courage All Town)

Oops. I was intending to ask how Frank progressed from the first post to the second.

What progression?
Those posts have 2 different points

I see you changing your read on me.
In the first post you hardly sr me, in the second you say what I did was scum motivated.

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I think there is scum in Wisdom and Power (Frank and Dunn). This means Courage is all-town. The lack of conflict they seem to have feels like it comes from a group with no scum. My scum suspects have also behaved in ways that imply Courage is town.

Can you elaborate?
They cant figure out who could be scum so theyre all town is what it looks like your saying.

They seem to be nitpicking.
Also there the fact that you threw shade in the post I quoted, and Dunn has hard-defended you while pretty much ignoring the Courage group.

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Post 197

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Their squabbles seem small

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There's more but the fact you asked that question looks like "what should my buddy NOT do?"

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Their squabbles seem small

And your bets seem hedged.

I just dont get why youre digging yourself into reading me as scum.

Really that 197 read is just lazy

I keep asking and youre not giving.

I feel like I've been explaining myself sufficiently.

[Gamma Emerald]

There's more but the fact you asked that question looks like "what should my buddy NOT do?"

Please share the "more"

"What should my buddy not do"??

You think scum would draw attention to that?

That is actually one of my obv town posts.

I think scum would give tips to their buddies by asking theory questions.

[Gamma Emerald]

There's more but the fact you asked that question looks like "what should my buddy NOT do?"

Please share the "more"

"What should my buddy not do"??

You think scum would draw attention to that?

That is actually one of my obv town posts.

I think scum would give tips to their buddies by asking theory questions.

Alright gamma. This is weak and you know it.

It's supplementary reasoning yes.

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Nice
Last time I saw that I was the lynch

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Actually, I kinda suspect Arc, as she was in a position to ride out the first day, as the other two were dictating everything pretty much.

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It has to be between Howard, Gamma, and Guilty. Arc didnt do anything suspicious D1. Who would have reason to kill Lane? Lane suspected GL so he could have kill Lane but would he kill within his own "group"? What is everyone's opinion on Howard? He hasnt posted as much as other people.

@Gamma: What did Arc do to make you suspect her?

It's more what she didn't do: I don't feel she actually tried to gamesort.

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I'm interested in GL's reads, as he's alone in his group.

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Howard take that vote off right now. We are in LyLo.

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Looking back some of SAJ's actions look like he's buddying up to AA.

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Howard was likely buddying me too. That's an easy comment to fake as scum, in fact IVE SEEN scum fake it.

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Howard was likely buddying me too. That's an easy comment to fake as scum, in fact IVE SEEN scum fake it.

Why would that commebt be anywhere near AI? I was pointing out that i wasnt the only one to buddy and then you say that the comment is easily faked by scum? What exactly is there to fake about comparing two TR situations?

I thought you were talking about the "+1" he did. Are you talking about Day 1?

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gamma, I have seen you posting in other games but not here. Why?

Because this game is slow AF

[Gamma Emerald]

I think you are likely town
I think all groups pegged yours as the all town one, leading to the lane NK, everyone else had done something major to stick out, which scum might capitalize on

[Gamma Emerald]

I think you are likely town
I think all groups pegged yours as the all town one, leading to the lane NK, everyone else had done something major to stick out, which scum might capitalize on

See, here is participation that gets the game going. So, if you are saying he is likely town, and no one scumreads themselves, then who out of Arc, Howard, and Myself are scum to you? What about someone in this makes you suspicious of them being scum?

Well obviously FMPOV Howard is scum. As for SAJ/ AA, I need to review Day 1 and see who sat in the best position for scum

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No
Sorry, will try to do that tonight

[Gamma Emerald]

Breaking down the interactions of the leftovers of the power group, SAJ felt more opportunistic, but AA feels like she's just riding on towncred

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Hm, looking back, Frank may have had a point by pointing out post count, because Howard's is WAY DIFFERENT than mine and Frank's (1/5th). Like he's not really into it.
I feel confident in this.
VOTE: HowardRoark

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I thought I could try to trick a scum from Power into signaling in case Howard is town, but EVERYONE else is gone. I'm confident in Howard scum, but I'm not going to risk a quickwagon while I sleep.
UNVOTE:

[Gamma Emerald]

Intent to hammer

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I'd like AA and SAJ to give some more thoughts before I do.

[Gamma Emerald]

I'd like AA and SAJ to give some more thoughts before I do.

I will happily give more thoughts, do you want my thoughts for why Howard is scum or something else?

Thought on AA.

[Gamma Emerald]

Frank you idiot! You tunneled Howard and gave cover to the other groups!
I admit I was part of that failure, but you two failed HARD!

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YEAH WTF WAS THAT COURAGE LYNCH?
QUBIXES WAS NOT SCUMMY AT ALL.