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[MariaR]

Jaack you are 100% right I can think of no reason why you didn't hop on the Grey wagon that's the one thing that stumps me
Should I have more on you? Not everything you do is scummy me looking at your posts trying to nitpick every little thing would be stupid of me

[MariaR]

FFs am I always gonna be on the wrong wagon

[MariaR]

i s i t r e a l l y t h a t h a r d t o l y n c h s c u m ?

[Creature]

I think scum are claiming PR so they can survive until massclaim phase.

[Sotty7]

Jaack you want more fine first of all that vote you made was opportunistic as fuck "I was kinda okay with a Hoopia wagon" nanana you're just voting it to save your own ass you only pop up when it's convenient for you and you've coasted a hella ton this game the fact your wagon has so much fight to it shows that Hoop is a counter wagon

I get what you're saying, but the only other viable wagon right now is himself. What do you really expect him to do?

Going to double check I won't be hammering Jaack before I move my vote over.

[Sotty7]

Unvote, Vote: Jaack

Rask moved to Hoopla so this is L-2

[MariaR]

Jaack you want more fine first of all that vote you made was opportunistic as fuck "I was kinda okay with a Hoopia wagon" nanana you're just voting it to save your own ass you only pop up when it's convenient for you and you've coasted a hella ton this game the fact your wagon has so much fight to it shows that Hoop is a counter wagon

I get what you're saying, but the only other viable wagon right now is himself. What do you really expect him to do?

Going to double check I won't be hammering Jaack before I move my vote over.

If he had a sr on Hoopia before I would understand or if he outright said "I'm voting this because I have to" I would understand that too
no he was like "I kinda had a feeling this was scum anyway" like he needs to justify it I don't like that it's like "kinda had a feeling hoopia is scum" that was out of no where
If jaack ever hinted that he had a sr on hoopia please show me

[goodmorning]

From anything.

This is not an answer that makes sense in the context of the question.

@BV: I choose Creature. Deal with it.

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oh god so many pages

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@Maria: there's aperfectly good Creature wagon you know........

[Hoopla]

First of all, I just want to apologise to the town for my passive, and lets be honest, rubbish play this phase. I fell behind, found myself completely out of touch and simply couldn't muster the fire to counter the growing feeling of apathy. Increasingly, I feel like perhaps mafia isn't the game for me any more, as I'm finding most of the things people say to be a high consistency of NAI noise and there's just too much of it to wade through... I just don't know what is scummy these days in today's meta. This is a pattern that has been occurring more regularly in the last couple of years, and it's simply not fair on the other players in the game. So again, apologies for my bad play.

Oh yeah, hoop when you get here you should claim.

I'm a friendly lil VT.

[BlackVoid]

That sounded sincere.

@Hoopla, I'm not going to vote Jaack over you. He's been a townread from D1. Will you help me lynch any of my scumreads?

[BlackVoid]

MariaR would be my top choice to lynch if we can all agree on her.

Other than that, I really want to lynch Sotty7. Everyone's just letting the claim sway them but I buy Victor's claim a whole lot more and Masons + Tracker seems too much investigative power. Adding onto that, everyone just seems to ignore that if Sotty7 were scum, killing TwoFace and tracking Jaack is exactly what she would do. And no, she wouldn't be trying to find Victor's mason partner because Masons are not a threat to scum at night. It's more important to find any other PRs and to check whether Jaack is mislynchable.

If we could all get back onto Sotty7, that would be pretty great. Nothing of her play or claim has really convinced me that she's town. Or we could do MariaR. That would be nice too.

[Hoopla]

That sounded sincere.

@Hoopla, I'm not going to vote Jaack over you. He's been a townread from D1. Will you help me lynch any of my scumreads?

I still think Rask and Maria are good people of the town. So, of all your reads I'd be most inclined to lynch Sotty, but that would probably just be based on the claim alone which sounds fishy to me. I really think she claims a largely unprovable decent value PR there 90% of the time as scum and almost never VT. She obviously always claims Tracker as town Tracker, but now that I think about it, given we probably have two mason claims, there's likely only one or two other town PR slots, but there's three scum slots remaining, and since she claims something like this as scum almost always, it's actually more likely this claim comes from scum just from the number of scum left vs. number of PR's left.

I also think Jack is a decent chance of being scum, so I probably wouldn't switch unless something with a real shot of going through occurred.

[BlackVoid]

What are the odds that the night one kill is one of the two biggest threat to Sotty7?

What are the odds that the night one kill is one of the two biggest threats to Sotty7 that isn't investigated by Sotty7? Her claim and night action is too convenient for me to believe. Her reasoning for investigating Jaack over TwoFace is really weak and sounds made up.

If Jaack, Hoopla, and I all vote Sotty7, that leaves three other votes. What do you say IAI, Victor, Creature?

[BlackVoid]

I also think Jack is a decent chance of being scum

Why do you think this?

[Raskolnikov]

Well shit.

[Raskolnikov]

Everyone's just letting the claim sway them but I buy Victor's claim a whole lot more and Masons + Tracker seems too much investigative power.

Thing is, this isn't quite true.

[Raskolnikov]

That's neither claiming nor not claiming anything though. But masons plus tracker really isn't much. And you can have even more than tracker if you have scum power like RB.

[BlackVoid]

Address my point on the two people scumreading Sotty7 the most D1 being nightkilled and tracked?

[Raskolnikov]

No, I agree with that part. It's just, I super tunneled KT one game and got everyone to actually lynch him as PR d1 and felt like a dumbass for it.

[Hoopla]

I also think Jack is a decent chance of being scum

Why do you think this?

Pseudo-PoE I guess, as I just haven't seen much from him that makes me go, "oh ok, probs town", whereas I have with a handful of others. I know it's too late in the game to not really have any concrete scumreads, but realistically, I feel like many of my scumreads aren't particularly accurate, so voting with people I think are town has been a key factor in my votes.

[goodmorning]

MariaR would be my top choice to lynch if we can all agree on her.

Other than that, I really want to lynch Sotty7. Everyone's just letting the claim sway them but I buy Victor's claim a whole lot more and Masons + Tracker seems too much investigative power. Adding onto that, everyone just seems to ignore that if Sotty7 were scum, killing TwoFace and tracking Jaack is exactly what she would do. And no, she wouldn't be trying to find Victor's mason partner because Masons are not a threat to scum at night. It's more important to find any other PRs and to check whether Jaack is mislynchable.

masons aren't investigative, and tracker is weak at best

but o k t h e n

[Raskolnikov]

Hoopla who are your top scumreads right now

[MariaR]

The fact people are letting BV live shocks me to the core

and @GM you're right but there's also a cool jack wagon and I like both

[Raskolnikov]

Ignoring everyone else's reads, ignoring all compromise or whatever all that stuff

[MariaR]

I've never been so close to faking a guilty in my LIFE