Mini 1853: Trial of the Evoker [Game Over]

[drealmerz7]

drealmerz7 stands apart from the group that wish to become evokers gathered in the great chamber. He watches them all, studies each of them carefully, and takes it all in. He hears them talk of spells and the trial that is upon them as if they were adolescents organizing a game of kekbal.

Evil is here, there is no question. We are served with a task and we must begin it immediately. Distractions only allow the enemy to grow it's advantage. And there is no doubt, they are at the advantage. Only the most skilled will survive, that is apparent, he just hopes that the strength of the uncorrupted will prevail over the influences of darkness.

Unobserved and in one flowing yet subtle gesture, he focuses his powers inward and then casts them outward. No words are spoken, but the impact is felt by the entire group.

VOTE: BTD6_Maker

[Mega Frozen]

Bleh you misunderstand. I said anti-town, not scum-motivated. iron not claiming could have turned a scum kill back on them if we assume their factional kill is a spell (which I do because even our votes are spells). He's null to me which is why I said I dislike Frozen's vote on him.

That and the fact she's not doing as much as I expect from her.

What is the thing you expect from me?

I tried to pretend Iron spell claim was scummy to me to make him talk and he contradicted himself. I want that slot to talk - if your null reading him whats the deal?

and thanks!

Btw I'm catching up and won't answer anything new you tell before that.

#Frozen

[Mega Frozen]

I don't think either Dunn or Iron's claims are particularly town. They're a balance factor that make sense as starting spells for either alignment, and there are real incentives to immediately claim them as mafia. Of all the players who have posted so far, I like, in a purely mafia-related sense, Sondam and BTD6. The person I like the least is Wisdom so

why is that though? arguably yeah both claims are NAI. Their still slots in game. whats your impression on the way their playing?

Note to the hydras: The more you post, and the less immediately pertinent it is, the less likely I (and I assume others) are to read them. Consequently, any good points you may make will be lost. Be judicious. I don't want to be snarky but I already find these first 5 pages borderline unreadable and I don't know if I can take 20-100 more pages of it without dayvigging someone.

How is the first 5 pages unreadable?

#Frozen

[Dunnstral]

Dunnstral stands apart from the group that wish to become evokers gathered in the great chamber. He watches them all, studies each of them carefully, and takes it all in. He hears them talk of spells and the trial that is upon them as if they were adolescents organizing a game of kekbal.

Evil is here, there is no question. We are served with a task and we must begin it immediately. Distractions only allow the enemy to grow it's advantage. And there is no doubt, they are at the advantage. Only the most skilled will survive, that is apparent, he just hopes that the strength of the uncorrupted will prevail over the influences of darkness.

Unobserved and in one flowing yet subtle gesture, he focuses his powers inward and then casts them outward. No words are spoken, but the impact is felt by the entire group.

VOTE: drealmerz7

[Mega Frozen]

arguably yeah both claims are NAI.

I mean "What they claimed" are arguably NAI. But the fact they claimed it is a part of their playing and definitely isn't.

#Frozen

[Mega Frozen]

@FA Wasn't scum indicative in your case to want annoying town dead, which is what I assume Tama found scummy about your opening.

I can't understand this. what about me trying to sort Iron and see what others have to say about it is the thing you find scummy?

If thats unreasonable your either scum or your looking at my posts and misunderstand my agendas which is really really bad. In eaither case you need to directly talk about it.

#Frozen

[Mega Frozen]

drealmerz7 stands apart from the group that wish to become evokers gathered in the great chamber. He watches them all, studies each of them carefully, and takes it all in. He hears them talk of spells and the trial that is upon them as if they were adolescents organizing a game of kekbal.

Evil is here, there is no question. We are served with a task and we must begin it immediately. Distractions only allow the enemy to grow it's advantage. And there is no doubt, they are at the advantage. Only the most skilled will survive, that is apparent, he just hopes that the strength of the uncorrupted will prevail over the influences of darkness.

Unobserved and in one flowing yet subtle gesture, he focuses his powers inward and then casts them outward. No words are spoken, but the impact is felt by the entire group.

VOTE: BTD6_Maker

what the hell is this. Please move on from RVS.

#Frozen

[Mega Frozen]

1) What's your favorite game of mafia? What happened?

2) Do you feel like you get lynched more as town or scum? What do you think the typical reasoning is?

3) Describe your mindset when playing scum. Eg. Is your main focus to towntell, to set up mislynches, to set up your partners, to bruteforce a win yourself?

1) It was cyberpunk. I have no idea when it happened but it was when I got banned - and I couldn't finish the game which is making a void empty thingi in my heart.

2) In my 50 games of mafia I got twice lynched. one as scum in day 1 becuase RC used a RL tell to catch me and one as town in lylo becuase instead of defending myself I started insulting the other town

3) My mindset is that I'm town. I won't focus on anything. I will do what I should do and exactly reason like I'm town.

I skipped it to do it after my catchup

#Frozen

[drealmerz7]

drealmerz7 can feel the query about his use of power

This wizard I focus my energy on shows intimiate knowledge of dark magic beyond my level of comfort.

[Prism]

Gamma: i disagree, i think the third question is good. scum can lie about their meta if they want to, in a wide variety of situations. the third question provides an opportunity to examine a players play and see if they appear to be matching their supposed scum meta at all. a player aware enough to give a fairly accurate portrayal of their scum mindset could then try to avoid playing in the manner they described, among other things.

I don't think it's a good idea to give responses to people's answers, or speculate as to their implications, until after more people have answered. To respond to Gamma but not delve any further than Chara has, yes, if scum want to lie, this is more than okay-it is

ideal

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I mean "What they claimed" are arguably NAI. But the fact they claimed it is a part of their playing and definitely isn't.

and there are real incentives to immediately claim them as mafia.

I don't have X-Ray meta vision. My impression is that the way they've played thus far is null. Is this the objective case? No. Is this the subjective case? Certainly.

How is the first 5 pages unreadable?

Page 5 because a picture is worth a thousand words.

This is pretty clearly to do with my own ideas of what good posting looks like (very subjective). What's the aim of this question? Can you give me an example of either a scummy answer or town answer?

[Mega Frozen]

I don't have X-Ray meta vision. My impression is that the way they've played thus far is null. Is this the objective case? No. Is this the subjective case? Certainly.

yeah

But why is pushing them to see what they will do afterward to sort them is an invalid tactic to you?

#Frozen

[Mega Frozen]

This is pretty clearly to do with my own ideas of what good posting looks like (very subjective). What's the aim of this question? Can you give me an example of either a scummy answer or town answer?

The aim of my questions are all to achive my goal to sort you. How is that going to work with a seemingly useless question like this is "that I'm comparing your tone and stances and try to detect anomalies and contradictions" thats how I scumhuant

But in this particular case I wanted to know what about hydra posts are bothering you to be more gentle and kind and try to avoid it.

#Frozen

[drealmerz7]

I think I prefer when hydras don't sign now - I've seen a new light

[drealmerz7]

1 slot 1 read you deal with it

[drealmerz7]

like, wtf, your avatar is your signature, that is how I'm identify and sort you in my brain - no special treatment

[Prism]

But why is pushing them to see what they will do afterward to sort them is an invalid tactic to you?

I never said it was. My statement was actually in response to outed townreads. Specifically, the one from Batoru:

I dunnot think dunn is scum this game

partly just for his claim, partly on tone

-tama

But in this particular case I wanted to know what about hydra posts are bothering you to be more gentle and kind and try to avoid it.

Thanks for being considerate if this is the case. I laid a more blanket "be judicious" statement on purpose, but if you're looking for something specifically I can give it. One is the constant forgetfulness of Batoru which has resulted in a clogged thread (Total they've had 36 posts). Another is the spam of Sondam. They had every post from #98 to #108 except for #101 & #104. From #98-#139 they had 22 posts out of 41. While I recognize the fun in doing so, as well as the fact it is not inherently bad play, it's not as fun for me to work around and read through.

Again, I want to emphasize that I recognize that Batoru's extra posts are simple accidents and that Sondam's aren't malicious/inherently bad play, but the above are more specific examples of why I asked to be more judicious when posting.

[drealmerz7]

Some of the more perceptive turn and look back at drealmerz7.

Did he speak? No. But those who are attuned, heard...something? Did he make them hear without making sound? What powers does that wizard have, they wonder?

[Mega Frozen]

like, wtf, your avatar is your signature, that is how I'm identify and sort you in my brain - no special treatment

who asked for any kinds of special treatment? I'm signing for whoever wants my posts to be signed. Where is this argument suddenly coming from?

#Frozen

[Mega Frozen]

But why is pushing them to see what they will do afterward to sort them is an invalid tactic to you?

I never said it was. My statement was actually in response to outed townreads. Specifically, the one from Batoru:

I dunnot think dunn is scum this game

partly just for his claim, partly on tone

-tama

But in this particular case I wanted to know what about hydra posts are bothering you to be more gentle and kind and try to avoid it.

Thanks for being considerate if this is the case. I laid a more blanket "be judicious" statement on purpose, but if you're looking for something specifically I can give it. One is the constant forgetfulness of Batoru which has resulted in a clogged thread (Total they've had 36 posts). Another is the spam of Sondam. They had every post from #98 to #108 except for #101 & #104. From #98-#139 they had 22 posts out of 41. While I recognize the fun in doing so, as well as the fact it is not inherently bad play, it's not as fun for me to work around and read through.

Again, I want to emphasize that I recognize that Batoru's extra posts are simple accidents and that Sondam's aren't malicious/inherently bad play, but the above are more specific examples of why I asked to be more judicious when posting.

ok, Thanks for clarification. and I promise to never spam but I won't drop my activity or post rate in any manner. Sondom hydra has MariaR I guess? Its not spamming. she is just playing around to get the feel I suppose. I never saw he scum but her town does that so thats not alarming. BATORU hydra members need to talk privatly a bit I guess. I Think I'm confusing their stands on stuff as well.

#Frozen

[drealmerz7]

drealmerz7's voice emanates through those who care to listen's ears, but still, he does not speak...

I wouldn't say it's an argument, just a preferred position. I think now is not the time to get into game theory unless the group wants to have a big discussion about it right now, it'll just be distraction, though. As long as it is understood that I will not be parsing discrepancies between brains. If there is an issue, your slot (any hydra slot) will have to account for it to me as an individual entity, "we disagree" will be viewed as a dichotomous position held at a single point in time, and I consider it grounds for reading as scum and for placing my vote - reason: blatant contradiction of position. My slot can't think ____ is simultaneously scum and town and get away with it, neither can your slot. <--That sort of special treatment.

[Fire Assassin]

@FA Wasn't scum indicative in your case to want annoying town dead, which is what I assume Tama found scummy about your opening.

I can't understand this. what about me trying to sort Iron and see what others have to say about it is the thing you find scummy?

If thats unreasonable your either scum or your looking at my posts and misunderstand my agendas which is really really bad. In eaither case you need to directly talk about it.

#Frozen

Frozen they were referring to me.

[Not Chara]

i really don't see why we're toying with spell mass-claiming. it's the same reason anyone doesn't claim their 1-shot PR in another game. it's just telling scum how to handle the night.

Prism: explain your Wisdom vote? i don't see it.
dunn should explain as well.

Fire Assassin's first post is entirely lost on me.

if BATORU hydra could stop signing altogether, or consistently sign, that would be ideal. i've simply begun to not care who is posting there.

post edit: no longer have the question for Prims. Dunn, i'd still like to know why you followed Prism onto Wisdom.

ironstove: do you plan on playing the game sometime soon? and answering the many, many questions about how exactly your power works?
VOTE: Sondam

[Not Chara]

dreal: i understand why you voted BTD there. however, i'd suggest looking elsewhere. i'd prefer not to explain why at this time.

[Dunnstral]

Prism: explain your Wisdom vote? i don't see it.
dunn should explain as well.

I thoroughly analyzed his 4 posts and using known scum algorithms I found that he has a 16% higher than average chance of being scum. Unfortunately I cannot publish my work

dreal: i understand why you voted BTD there. however, i'd suggest looking elsewhere. i'd prefer not to explain why at this time.

lol

[Fire Assassin]

I thoroughly analyzed his 4 posts and using known scum algorithms I found that he has a 16% higher than average chance of being scum. Unfortunately I cannot publish my work

I know this is going to sound like ass kissing, but Dunnstral is so amusing with posts like these.
It makes my day.

Really hope he is town too.