Open 657: JK9++ (Game over)

bangthemafia · Post Post #875 (ISO) » Fri Nov 18, 2016 3:11 am

In post 868, Charloux wrote:@Bang: If Spade were scum, do you think he would still be protecting Alban, even though he is the second in line to get lynched?

What if both Alban and Spade are scum team? Taking a risk by openly buddying and creating an alibi for day 2?

Creature · Post Post #876 (ISO) » Fri Nov 18, 2016 3:12 am

Btw, if someone's a counterwagon to scum, it doesn't mean they must be town.

Charloux · Post Post #877 (ISO) » Fri Nov 18, 2016 3:21 am

In post 875, bangthemafia wrote:
In post 868, Charloux wrote:@Bang: If Spade were scum, do you think he would still be protecting Alban, even though he is the second in line to get lynched?
What if both Alban and Spade are scum team? Taking a risk by openly buddying and creating an alibi for day 2?

I don't care about that right now, answer the rhetorical question.

Creature · Post Post #878 (ISO) » Fri Nov 18, 2016 3:33 am

I am not useless though.

alban · Post Post #879 (ISO) » Fri Nov 18, 2016 3:45 am

These are the players about whom I don't have substantial reads.

Part 3/3

Kling, Secret, Tiger

, null.

Kop, Lane

, townlean.

So, to summarise,

Scum:

Spade, Creature

Null:

Charl, Kling, Secret, Tiger

Town:

Bang, Twisz, Mini, Gamma

alban · Post Post #880 (ISO) » Fri Nov 18, 2016 3:50 am

More fine-tuned hierarchy from the towniest to the scummiest player:

Town

Mini
Bang
Gamma
Twisz

Null

Secret
Tiger
Kling
Charl

Scum

Spade
Creature

I have least confidence in my reads on Kling and Charl.

Because my whole premise in null-reading them is that a scum won't be so-
Kling: relentless.
Charl: random.

--

Vote:

At least Spade is trying. Creature has absconded.
VOTE: Creature

alban · Post Post #881 (ISO) » Fri Nov 18, 2016 4:01 am

Forgot to add Kop and Lane in 879 and 880. Reposting.

alban · Post Post #882 (ISO) » Fri Nov 18, 2016 4:04 am

Spoiler:

These are the players about whom I don't have substantial reads.

Part 3/3

Kling, Secret, Tiger

, null.

Kop, Lane

, townlean.

So, to summarise,

Scum:

Spade, Creature

Null:

Charl, Kling, Secret, Tiger

Town:

Bang, Twisz, Mini, Gamma, Kop, Lane

--

More fine-tuned hierarchy from the towniest to the scummiest player:[/b]

Town

Mini
Bang
Gamma
Twisz
Kop
Lane

Null

Secret
Tiger
Kling
Charl

Scum

Spade
Creature

I have least confidence in my reads on Kling and Charl.

Because my whole premise in null-reading them is that a scum won't be so-
Kling: relentless.
Charl: random.

--

Vote:

At least Spade is trying. Creature has absconded.
VOTE: Creature

TwiszTed · Post Post #883 (ISO) » Fri Nov 18, 2016 4:11 am

In post 882, alban wrote:At least Spade is trying. Creature has absconded.

Effort is not indicative of alignment.

Trying scum is still scum.
Apathetic town is still town.

Not that I'm townreading Creature, but thinking he's scummier for not trying is bad.

alban · Post Post #884 (ISO) » Fri Nov 18, 2016 4:15 am

Creature returns.
My vote still remains.

alban · Post Post #885 (ISO) » Fri Nov 18, 2016 4:17 am

In post 883, TwiszTed wrote:
In post 882, alban wrote:At least Spade is trying. Creature has absconded.
Effort is not indicative of alignment.

Trying scum is still scum.
Apathetic town is still town.

Not that I'm townreading Creature, but thinking he's scummier for not trying is bad.

I expect the town to defend themselves.
Being useless and apathetic is a bad combination.

Creature · Post Post #886 (ISO) » Fri Nov 18, 2016 4:38 am

Why so many people believe Spade and me are scum?

Creature · Post Post #887 (ISO) » Fri Nov 18, 2016 4:38 am

Are they too lazy to have their own opinions?

MiniDeathStar · Post Post #888 (ISO) » Fri Nov 18, 2016 4:40 am

Creature is playing like 50 games at a time. I can sort of understand why he isn't putting in any effort.

Creature · Post Post #889 (ISO) » Fri Nov 18, 2016 4:40 am

I defend myself by sharing/pushing my opinions on players that isn't me.

TwiszTed · Post Post #890 (ISO) » Fri Nov 18, 2016 4:45 am

Not lynching Creature.

Kop · Post Post #891 (ISO) » Fri Nov 18, 2016 5:02 am

In post 890, TwiszTed wrote:Not lynching Creature.

Give us a good enough reason why we aren't going there.

Kop · Post Post #892 (ISO) » Fri Nov 18, 2016 5:02 am

In post 888, MiniDeathStar wrote:Creature is playing like 50 games at a time. I can sort of understand why he isn't putting in any effort.

That's not really a good enough excuse. Why sign up for games knowing that it may be a bit too much?

MiniDeathStar · Post Post #893 (ISO) » Fri Nov 18, 2016 5:21 am

I could ask half the people here the same question.

Tiger moth · Post Post #894 (ISO) » Fri Nov 18, 2016 5:25 am

In post 860, bangthemafia wrote:In #377 Spade responds to Alban's pointed question from #369 about what are his opinions on me. Spade writes a long post about how its good to see Alban, analyses everyone else, but again noticeably drops me.

Then almost as an after thought, writes #368 saying anyone wants to ask me question? I somehow dont like this pattern. I cant put my finger on whats bothering me but it looks weird. I dont expect a town Spade to ignore such questions. As a town Spade is usually very proactive, asking a lot more questions almost grilling people. I find that completely absent in this game. Initially I tried to give him benefit of doubt thinking it maybe because its his first game on this forum and he is unable to find time to tackle all the information flow from so many players. But I cant put aside the possibility of a scum Spade trying to lurk in general to avoid risk of slipping and appearing only when questioned directly. So either he is a disinterested townie or quite likely a scum who is overwhelmed, doesnt want to make mistakes. If he is scum, his repeatedly ignoring me in his analyses could be-
1. A given up scum trying to buddy up to a townie to take me down if he flips scum
2. A scum avoiding to ruffle my feathers coz I know his play style quite well?I am a bit unsure whether I am being paranoid. Anyone else felt this unusual?

I can understand him missing you once. It happens. But this goes beyond that. I don't think you're being paranoid.

In post 861, Spade_Ace wrote:I so, so didn't want to put up any defensive posts unless i was in L-1.

Why leave it so late?

Ok. I've seen enough to add Spade to my "could vote" pile. What about Gamma? The only thing that stuck out about him is the wagon he got going on himself as a reaction test and I think that's something he could have done as either alignment, but it felt more town than scum. He jumps at stuff a lot but that as well I think he'd do as either alignment.

Kop · Post Post #895 (ISO) » Fri Nov 18, 2016 5:32 am

In post 893, MiniDeathStar wrote:I could ask half the people here the same question.

If he can't offer this game much attention, because he is in 50 other games, then he can't or any one give him that excuse when he is put under pressure for lack of effort.

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #896 (ISO) » Fri Nov 18, 2016 5:47 am

In post 886, Creature wrote:Why so many people believe Spade and me are scum?

Your reaction to me kneejerking on the selfvote was bad
where's my vote rn

Tiger moth · Post Post #897 (ISO) » Fri Nov 18, 2016 6:07 am

SAJ's reason for voting Gamma (830) is awful.

lane0168 · Post Post #898 (ISO) » Fri Nov 18, 2016 6:36 am

People not voting are setting us up for a speed lynch that will end in no claim and possibly a lynch on a power role. Very your damn votes out the its page 36, we don't need some random speed lynch. Start making wagons already there a day and a half left

lane0168 · Post Post #899 (ISO) » Fri Nov 18, 2016 6:38 am

In post 898, lane0168 wrote:People not voting are setting us up for a speed lynch that will end in no claim and possibly a lynch on a power role. Get your damn votes out there, its page 36, we don't need some random speed lynch. Start making wagons already theres a day and a half left

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