Newbie 1756: Balloon (Game Over)

[WeCanSimplyBeOurselves]

Transcend warned us of Char claiming PR and then he claimed PR?

I have no idea whether you believe Char's claim or not. I do know that if someone else claims something then one of them would be lying. And

if

Char is telling the truth I do know which setup we're in.

At this point Accountant is seeming more town but he's an experienced player I know it's easy for him to seem town as scum.

I'm asking myself whether my intuition is correct that it would be easier for Accountant to cover up his mistake than let it slide, if I'm right about his just realizing being not genuine.

But at this point I'm far more interested in Char's claim, but I do think that at this point I have no idea whether his claim is genuine or not. I am particularly interested in Transcend prempting the power claim before it happened. Transcend warned us of Char's claiming PR and then it happened... was that a real warning or was it a plan? Are they scum buddies? It could just have been a genuine warning but it does seem suspicious. Maybe I'm wrong about accountant.

I don't know. Maybe none of these people are scum. But like I said I do know which setup we're in

if

Char is telling the truth. And if someone else claims a non-vanilla townie I would know that one of them is lying, I just wouldn't know who.

[WeCanSimplyBeOurselves]

Why would he sacrifice himself to fish at this point?

Well he looked pretty defeated, he wasn't responding to questions made to him. This could happen to either behavior. Town give up, scum give up. Looks more like scum giving up to me, but hoping to get something out of the lynch by fishing a few roles.

This "well he looked pretty defeated" sounds to me like Transcend defending Char.

I have a very strong intuition now that Transcend pretended to warn us of Char's claiming PR when really it was planned. Looks very much to me like they're scum buddies: They planned it so Transcend would pre-warn us of Char claiming PR after Char acted all frustrated, then Char would claim PR, and then Transcend would use Char's frustration ("well he looked pretty defeated") as an excuse to defend the PR.

That's certainly what it looks like to me now.

[WeCanSimplyBeOurselves]

To defend the fake PR claim I mean.

[WeCanSimplyBeOurselves]

And, if I'm right, I know what setup we're in now.

[WeCanSimplyBeOurselves]

Oh damn I misread Transcend's post. He said it looks more like scum. Hmm. I don't know then.

[MisaTange]

I wonder if WCB's not thinking a lot of reactions is AI. Hmm.

[thatsit]

Not taking my vote off WCSBO. He started off stating that he read both Accountant and Char as town in #164 and #185, and in #180 and #224 he repeatedly states that he reads Charloux as just a "frustrated town". Now that Char is confirmed doc (?) it seems to me like WCSBO was trying to establish himself as town early on by defending Char, who he knew wasn't mafia. Either that or he just read really well - but I think it's more likely that he knew for a fact Char was inno from the start.

The one thing I was most certain about is that Char and Accountant are not scum buddies. It seemed to me like they're perhaps both town talking past each other. After this post quoted above Accountant has moved to the scummiest lean for me and Char has thereby gone from a slight town lean (along with accountant who has now became scum) to a much stronger town lean. They'er not both scum and not only does Char seem townish to me, and genuinely frustrated at people taking his jokes too seriously rather than acting, but Account does appear to be acting and if they're not both scum and Accountant is, IMO, very likely to be scum then that makes Char a strong town lean along with Accountant being a strong scum lean, IMO.

btw how do i link posts through by their id numbers, lol

[thatsit]

Why would he sacrifice himself to fish at this point?

Well he looked pretty defeated, he wasn't responding to questions made to him. This could happen to either behavior. Town give up, scum give up. Looks more like scum giving up to me, but hoping to get something out of the lynch by fishing a few roles.

This "well he looked pretty defeated" sounds to me like Transcend defending Char.

I have a very strong intuition now that Transcend pretended to warn us of Char's claiming PR when really it was planned. Looks very much to me like they're scum buddies: They planned it so Transcend would pre-warn us of Char claiming PR after Char acted all frustrated, then Char would claim PR, and then Transcend would use Char's frustration ("well he looked pretty defeated") as an excuse to defend the PR.

That's certainly what it looks like to me now.

Transcend was pushing a Char lynch pretty hard the entire game i thought.

[Accountant]

@WCS: I feel as though I should remind you that scum are not allowed to talk to each other during the day(newbie games have no daychat). So it's impossible for Transcend to have plotted anything out with Charloux.

Seeing as scum would know this, I wonder if this is an actual townslip by WCS.

[Accountant]

I'll assume that anyone who posted and hasn't CCed isn't going to do so. That means we're waiting on Norska and Morning Tweet.

[NorskaBlue]

I am neither a BP, JK, nor a Doc.

[WeCanSimplyBeOurselves]

@WCS: I feel as though I should remind you that scum are not allowed to talk to each other during the day(newbie games have no daychat). So it's impossible for Transcend to have plotted anything out with Charloux.

Seeing as scum would know this, I wonder if this is an actual townslip by WCS.

Isn't there pre-game chat when the role PMs have been sent out but the day hasn't started yet?

[WeCanSimplyBeOurselves]

I am neither a BP, JK, nor a Doc.

Same here.

[WeCanSimplyBeOurselves]

I am neither a BP, JK, nor a Doc.

So either you're a VT, scum or Char isn't doctor.

[WeCanSimplyBeOurselves]

You can't be a tracker if Char is a doctor.

[NorskaBlue]

I'm not a tracker

[MisaTange]

Feels like WCSBO just rolefished...

[WeCanSimplyBeOurselves]

No one should claim, we're already had one person claim.

[WeCanSimplyBeOurselves]

I'm not a tracker

Then you're a VT or scum.

[Morning Tweet]

Ah yes, I am here.

I am not bullet-proof nor a jailkeeper.

I was gonna talk about Charloux, but he's conf town now. Instead, I'll give a reads list right after this question:

@Misa

, your last two posts..

I wonder if WCB's not thinking a lot of reactions is AI. Hmm.

What are the results of your pondering? Or was the sole purpose of this post getting others to think about WCS?

Feels like WCSBO just rolefished...

What makes you say that? I believe he's genuinely thinking out loud (a quirk similar to his frequent fluff posting), and the reason he directed it towards Norska was because Nor included that he was not a doctor.

[Accountant]

@WCS: I feel as though I should remind you that scum are not allowed to talk to each other during the day(newbie games have no daychat). So it's impossible for Transcend to have plotted anything out with Charloux.

Seeing as scum would know this, I wonder if this is an actual townslip by WCS.

Isn't there pre-game chat when the role PMs have been sent out but the day hasn't started yet?

I find it difficult to believe that Transcend and Charloux managed to come up with a plan this convoluted in the couple of days that pre-game lasted for.

[Accountant]

I'm not a tracker

Then you're a VT or scum.

STOP.

You're only helping scum narrow down the list of targets who might be PR if you repeatedly force this kind of claim from people.

[Accountant]

Feels like WCSBO just rolefished...

Why aren't you voting him, then?

[WeCanSimplyBeOurselves]

Char isn't confirmed town. We could be in a setup without a doctor and it could be a fake claim. If we're in a setup with a doctor someone would have counterclaimed him. But we could be in a setup without a doctor. But if we are in a setup without a doctor then I know what setup we're in.

I'm rather interested in Norska claiming what roles he isn't. If he's town and he's telling the truth then

I

know he

must

be a VT.

4.AM here now and I'm exhausted, goodnight folks.

[Accountant]

@Misa: Okay, my bad, you are voting WCS. But I don't see much wagon pressure on someone you've been voting from the beginning. You seem content to lie back and let others push WCS for you.