Micro 655: Forest Fire - Endgame

[Flubbernugget]

Yeah but rocket science isn't worthless

"bad" is

[TierShift]

His hop on was bad

It's not rocket science

What are you implying here?

[BBmolla]

He is scum hopping on a mislynch

[BBmolla]

It seemed exceedingly opportunistic and ungenuine

[Vifam]

Honestly we can afford the mislynch Im sick of this

VOTE: TheJester

[Vifam]

Wait that wasn't a hammer? Weak

[mhsmith0]

Votecount 2.08

HowardRoark (2)

Bbmolla , TierShift ,

The_Jester (4)

Flubbernugget , ReubenWasFine , HowardRoark , Vifam L-1,

Bbmolla (1)

MariaR ,

Flubbernugget (1)

The_Jester ,

Day one deadline is Wednesday November 23th, 2 PM PST. (expired on 2016-11-23 14:00:00)

With 8 alive it takes 5 to lynch!

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[The_Jester]

VOTE: Roark since it's me or him apparently

[ReubenWasFine]

no idea why you're depriving yourself of a bbmolla vote jester

[The_Jester]

Whatever Doesn't look like people are likely to change their mind anyway

[BBmolla]

I really think the jester lynch is shit just by his reaction to it

[BBmolla]

eh

I mean I guess it could be "this is a lost cause anyway" scum mindset

[ReubenWasFine]

BB. You vote parked jester yesterday and came by to criticize them several times. What was the post that made you back off?

[MariaR]

I honestly hate this wtf

[ReubenWasFine]

:shrug: i'm trying to get us the best lynch here but if i'm the one asking most of the questions it's going to go slow

[ReubenWasFine]

you don't have to tell us who to lynch maria. you can use conftown as pressure without leading.

[MariaR]

Jester doesn't seem like scum to me re reading early day 1 but I could be wrong

[ReubenWasFine]

you're right. my notes said the same but very quickly went from positive to negative. he was grilling several people with questions, including fire. the paranoia even looks natural but the progression of my notes show him from contributing positively to mainly negatively. even his positive contributions can be explained as scum. distracting from fire is a plus, looking like he's contributing is a plus, and to top it off he tells fire to tell him what he's really thinking.

that's why i'm willing to throw out everything from post 1 to 125/146. most of my notes are positive up to this point. in my notes i remark that i would have liked 125, but he took a long time coming back to pressing you as a read. then in 146 he pulls a 180 on your read after i tr you, which i found strange because he posted right before... then right after me. he later brings up his [what i can infer as a] sr of you late in day 1 for no good reason (347, 352, 355: "you're town"-implies he was revising his earlier townread of you (146).) interesting context-post: fire ego read you as town and soon after jester remarks on this in reply to vifam questioning this escaped read in 277. seems like he was reminded that he's supposed to have suspicion of you and not blindly treat you as obvtown. the paranoia is dual purpose with looking contrary to fire's read's. the ego tr can be taken as jest and revised later, but fire later throws the gauntlet with his final reads list, a super-safe list where he copies my townreads. while the tr of jester can be seen as a copy/wifom, there's no doubt to me that he wanted to legitimately promote you as town, which jester would have to oppose to create discord.

146 and onward his posts are mainly negative contrib. #153 is the only good post in the batch.

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so the only question is whether i'm pulling an exhaustive case out of my behind because i don't want to consider the alternative of lurking scum. my only problem with this consideration is that i was

very willing to see bbmolla or howard as scum

and i'm mostly happy with a tentative tr of howard meanwhile i don't believe my assessment of bbmolla is wrong...

but i've been trying to see if i was wrong and playing these three off each other. howard's happy for jester. bbmolla is happy for howard. i've been setting bbmolla up as the alternative lynch to jester, meanwhile i wanted to see how swayable bbmolla was to hammering. i think vifam wasn't worried about a deadline, but wanted to see the same thing.

the behavior i thought i'd observe since i started wallcasing has been perfect with regards to the assumption of scum!jester. jester first made a useless vote (flubber) and subverted this by voting howard, who i can understand as seeming scummy as his slot is a question mark-normally an easy mislynch, but i've been arguing 'town-energy' for him. the thing is: for jester to push bbmolla, getting you, vifam, tiershift on board is too hard. howard already wants jester, not bb, and jester's my target, so how will he get me to hammer? jester wants to do what he's been doing all game when it comes to his reads; and that is get other people to push them for him. howard is his best compromise lynch, but that's ONLY his best lynch as scum. the best lynch for town!jester is bbmolla, without a doubt. there's few reasons to townread bbmolla unless you know he's town, and for scum!jester to push his lynch, he will create more questions for himself than he will solve. a howard lynch is new life for him. if jester were town, he wouldn't worry about the consequences of a bbmolla lynch. he would have put his vote down, explained his read and pushed it. he's failed to do so. that is the expected behavior i've had for him since i townread tiershift.

he's giving me warning signs exceeding those i had of fire. fire's haphazard playstyle isn't easy for me to predict, so i relied a lot on his interactions with others. jester's meta is a lot of talking, a lot of compromise; he tries to work things out. he's invested in his reads. he'll say that he's town and openly talk about what scum are doing. when he townreads someone he wants them to know it. he procedurally reads people and bounces those reads off reactions until he thinks he has cornered and found scum. when he's scum, he's low contribution. he performs a mimicry of his townplay but he's a hollow shell. his definition of compromise in this game is having other people push his reads. he's pinging people in this game but doesn't care about the resulting feedback. it's a one-way, passive relationship, because it's scum. he can't sort any one. he can't press a read.

he can't make a post like this:

@Jester
May seem boring to you, but it does get results in finding scum and that is what matters.

I'm keeping this in mind.

Right now I can't see any clear scum teams

And you won't for the time being, so don't bother

getting towny hunches towards Something_Smart

Any particular reason?

Don't have a clear read on The_Jester yet. So nullish.

Why do you mention me if I'm null but you don't mention Korts or Marie at all? In post #86 you also talked about me when asked about reads.
Are you saying this just to make me turn my head away from you?

I'm feeling scum from DocterPepper but that could just be an OMGUS going off in my head subconciously.

Do you think voting for you hides innate bad intentions?


You seem very defensive about getting voted on. I'm also surprised by the dissonance you've created between posts #111 and #112. First you shrug it off, and then you freak out (when you noticed being at L-1?)

On a scale of 1-10, how much are you afraid to die?

in this game

[BBmolla]

read evolved as I got used to his playstyle

[ReubenWasFine]

do you think jester has been consistent this game?

[The_Jester]

I'm busy irl and I don't have time to analyse things properly. What can I say? Sorry for that but that's the way it is. And it's not only this game. If you feel you'll keep on being paranoid about me then just lynch me and I'll try to help out along the way anyway. I just feel it's a waste and I haven't really done anything to justify a lynch.

[ReubenWasFine]

for some reason both you and BB think Howard is scum and that the double counterwagons yesterday were town responses to a near consensus of fire's lynch. with your Howard vote you're saying neither of you are bullshitting which looks unnatural because both of you denied a fire lynch and joined counterwagons. so why howard?

[The_Jester]

Everyone else's apparently unlynchable atm.

[ReubenWasFine]

Is that what you believe?

[HowardRoark]

Apologies. Weekend was a bit busier than expected. I did a quick read and am giving a quick response. More will follow, but most likely tomorrow.

I really want to lynch Vifam. Nothing The_Jester has done improves my read so I am still good with him. I have mixed emotions with BBmolla's increase in activity.

@MariaR: A lot has happened since early D1 . . . Is that all you have? What do you hate (566)?