Streeflo wrote:On a happier note,AlyGhas just been prodded again. If he doesn't pick up the prod byThursday, I will be forced to look for a replacement.
The happier note was that AlyG has been prodded again. A replacement has been found, and I am waiting until Thursday.Gemelli wrote: And IMHO it's a bad sign when the mod's comment on the possible replacement of a player is described as "a happier note."
I know you softclaimed before, but you never officially claimed. Query whether there is any difference, though...Korlash wrote: Um... Vollkan... What do you expect me to do? Claim doc? Mason? Sk? What? Are you seriously forgetting that whole big.. Korlash claimed for no reason thing we had ten weeks ago? I only see you asking me to claim as some weird trap thing and I am really afraid to say anything... I'm serious here... last time I "sorta claimed" I got my head chewed off.
Like I said, more tomorrow. We have the regional something vice somethings in for annual inspection, have to get to work at like 6 in the morning so it's off to bed.
That's not really a question I can answer. I would have to consider things carefully, so it could put a "bullseye" on your back, but it might not.Korlash wrote: Well the only difference I see is your baiting me to see if I claim other then vanilla. After my "Velvety soft luscious and almost milky white silk claim" claiming anything BUT vanilla would, logically, put a bullseye on my back yes? Forgive me for being a bit skeptical to succumb to a claim right now.
Well, since I am no longer under the delusion that you are at 2 votes, there is no longer any reason for you to claim, at least for now.Korlash wrote: Now, should you provide a reasonable explanation as to why my "claim" is urgent and has to be done now, I may find it in my heart to once again utter those words my avy so longs to say! Until then, only allusions will you get! *Nods*
Streeflo, you are awesome. Finding someone to replace into this game at 65 pages can't have been easy, but you nailed it. Nicely done, sirStreeflo wrote:The happier note was that AlyG has been prodded again. A replacement has been found, and I am waiting until Thursday.
Let me add to that: If anybody is going to hammer Elias, it is to be me. That said, I have no intention of hammering Elias any time soon. If a person does hammer Elias, I will ensure that you are lynched tomorrow. I don't care what excuse/justification you might have, you will swing. If I get NKed (which I admit is probably unlikely given 2 claimed power roles) then I feel confident that the rest of the players will have you lynched. I know this may sound arrogant of me, but I think it is justified.Elias wrote: **If someone hammers for this, they are retarded. It is my playstyle to get pissed off**
Elias, I agree, the case on Korlash is better. You were made to claim because of the numbers on you. Additionally (and I was waiting to see how this Gemelli issue unfolded), Gemelli's vote strikes me as dreadfully rushed. He has Kor at number 1 suspicion and then puts on his vote for you for this effectively semantic debate about you delaying your vote; the only change being that Orig cast his vote. I agree, your actions are odd, but I don't think they are scummy-odd. I'll admit here that I did think Gemelli's actions could be bussing of Elias, and I still consider it viable.Elias wrote: I really can't believe that I'm being the one forced to claim...the case on korlash is clearly stronger, based on the fact that there is a case besides the connection, while the entire case on me is the connection...I havent done anything exceedingly scummy all game besides lurk through the middle section of the game (when I thought I was being replaced). And yet I am the one at -1, I am the one forced to claim. This is ridiculous. You know what puts the icing on the cake though? Gemelli's jump. For a while now he's been saying that Korlash is more scummy, and now he jumps on me because I was attempting to get reactions? And even after I've defeated the bulk of his argument, (seeing as he doesnt even address my latest defenses) he does not unvote? Furthermore, I love how no one else seems to see how strong the connection between korlash and gemelli is. He switched his vote to someone who he said was second scummiest for essentially nothing! It's so incredibly obvious that Korlash and he are scumbuddies it's not even funny! Do you think it's a coincidence that Gemelli found an excuse to jump on me almost immediately after I got my second vote? My god, if I get lynched today and not Korlash, and the town ends up losing this game, I will be so fucking pissed, because for once I have a chance to improve my terrible town record and everyone seems to busy pressuring me for a claim to look at the evidence that's right there.
Vollkan wrote:Well, since I am no longer under the delusion that you are at 2 votes, there is no longer any reason for you to claim, at least for now.
Vollkan wrote:For now, I would like Korlash to officially claim, even though he has been "claimed" for a long time now.
Because Elias has claimed and serious suspicion of Gemelli has surfaced. Ultimately, I see a claim from you as fairly arbitrary, but I would like to have it there clearly to help our discussion over the next week (ie. so that there is no danger of you claiming and then causing us to have to rush a decision). You and Elias are my top suspects, and I would want a significant length of time following your claims in order to determine how to act.Korlash wrote:Vollkan wrote:Well, since I am no longer under the delusion that you are at 2 votes, there is no longer any reason for you to claim, at least for now.Vollkan wrote:For now, I would like Korlash to officially claim, even though he has been "claimed" for a long time now.
I hate to be a bore... but... why the sudden change of heart?
Yes.Korlash wrote: Thats fair enough i think. But I hope you will indulge me in one more question as your constant traps have made me very paranoid.
Lets say, hypothetically, I am the Doc. Do you honestly feel there is reason enough for me to claim right now?
In that case,Elias_the_thief wrote:As a sidenote, I will not be able to post again til sunday.
As I've said twice now, Elias and Korlash are very close to each other on my suspect list. I've been struggling to distinguish between the two players, and part of what I've been playing with is to see how each reacts to extra pressure. So I brought up things that I found suspicious about each player in turn, and voted. What I've found is that:vollkan wrote:Elias, I agree, the case on Korlash is better. You were made to claim because of the numbers on you. Additionally (and I was waiting to see how this Gemelli issue unfolded), Gemelli's vote strikes me as dreadfully rushed. He has Kor at number 1 suspicion and then puts on his vote for you for this effectively semantic debate about you delaying your vote; the only change being that Orig cast his vote. I agree, your actions are odd, but I don't think they are scummy-odd. I'll admit here that I did think Gemelli's actions could be bussing of Elias, and I still consider it viable.
I'm just trying to explain why I've been going back and forth between Elias and Korlash on D3. I believe that at least one of them is absolutely scum. If we push to lynch one of them, and that player is confirmed pro-town, to me the conclusion would be that Lucienne is the final remaining scum. I assume that the other pro-town player in the top four has a similar perspective, but with my name substituted into the mix.
) this plan seems a lot more reasonable then it will to either me or Elias (Right ). So, please pardon any future comments where I in someway doubt the benefit of this plan. From where I'm sitting, the only way that all the mafia could not be in the top 4 is if AlyG is a mafia tracker. I think that is unlikely and, thus, that we have all the mafia in the top 4. If Orig is SK, then there may only be 1 mafioso left, however. I think we should remember that.Gemelli wrote: First, I put it to you that if we have NOT identified all of the Mafia in the top four spots on the consensus list, we will most likely lose the game. There is significant reason to look at myself, Korlash, Elias, and Lucienne as Mafia suspects at this point. If Vollkan, AlyG, or Originality are mafia, then frankly I think they have outplayed the town well and truly already, and our chances of winning will come down to whether a rogue Mafioso makes a major error near the endgame. Because that's a depressing (and I think unlikely) scenario, I'm not going to focus on it. I do think that we've pinned the Mafia in our top four, and I think that our consensus list reflects that this is most people's opinion.
Obviously, your course of action would work. As you say, though, it assumes you are pro-town which is not something I am willing to do.Gem wrote: The town can make one mislynch without putting the Mafia in position to win. Therefore, from where I stand, the best course of action for the town is to lynch the top three players on the suspect list one after the other. Assuming that two of those players are mafia, and the other is town, this wins the game for us at the possible cost of a single mislynch.
Now, for those of you who have me at #2 or #3 on the suspect list, I don't expect you to buy into this approach I'm just trying to explain why I've been going back and forth between Elias and Korlash on D3. I believe that at least one of them is absolutely scum. If we push to lynch one of them, and that player is confirmed pro-town, to me the conclusion would be that Lucienne is the final remaining scum. I assume that the other pro-town player in the top four has a similar perspective, but with my name substituted into the mix.
Why does it make it highly likely that they are scum together?Gemelli wrote: Coming back to the point I made earlier, the fact that BOTH Elias and Korlash are taking the same stance on me suggests that the odds of them being aligned with each other are fairly high
On what basis?Korlash wrote: ... Don't take this too hard Gem. I understand you. I really do. But after all that a Gem/Lucienne pairing is sounding a whole lot more plausible.
To be honest, I hadn't considered that possibility. If we have just one Mafia left, things do become more complicated. How likely do you think that situation is?vollkan wrote:If Orig is SK, then there may only be 1 mafioso left, however. I think we should remember that.
Understood. I'm just trying to explain why I've been switching back and forth between targets.vollkan wrote:Obviously, your course of action would work. As you say, though, it assumes you are pro-town which is not something I am willing to do.
Maybe "highly likely" is an overstatement. But I find it notable that neither of them is taking the position of "if player X is scum, that means that either Gemelli or Lucienne is scum." They're both zeroing in on me specifically. It just looks to me like a concerted effort to move me into the #2 spot on the suspicion list.vollkan wrote:Why does it make it highly likely that they are scum together?
Well, in Mini 467 I was in a 2-man mafia and there was a SK as the third scum. A few weeks ago I tried trawling the Mini Normal forum seeing whether it was vastly more likely to be 3 scum and 1 SK or 2 scum and 1 SK (by counting the number of SK games that went each way) and, IIRC, it was inconclusive.Gemelli wrote:To be honest, I hadn't considered that possibility. If we have just one Mafia left, things do become more complicated. How likely do you think that situation is?vollkan wrote:If Orig is SK, then there may only be 1 mafioso left, however. I think we should remember that.
Gemelli wrote:Streeflo, you are awesome. Finding someone to replace into this game at 65 pages can't have been easy, but you nailed it. Nicely done, sirStreeflo wrote:The happier note was that AlyG has been prodded again. A replacement has been found, and I am waiting until Thursday.
And how does spurgistan get back on the plane?Streeflo wrote: The air suddenly turns black. Clouds form, and lightning flashes across the sky.
And in the graveyard, one of the stones starts to shake and shiver. A mountain of dirt forms, and starts to dissolve with the shaking of the earth.
spurgistan has risen from the grave to replace AlyG!!!
Then many thanks to Spurgistan!streeflo wrote: Give credit where credit is due: spurgistan offered.
He says he wants us to lynch me then Elais or vica versa. We lose with two mislynches, and thus it is the perfect plan for a lucienne/Gem setup.Vollkan wrote:On what basis?
Now you know why I wanted to hear from Lucienne. Her lack of activity hurts us here... Thus... we are more prone to go after you.Gem wrote:Maybe "highly likely" is an overstatement. But I find it notable that neither of them is taking the position of "if player X is scum, that means that either Gemelli or Lucienne is scum." They're both zeroing in on me specifically. It just looks to me like a concerted effort to move me into the #2 spot on the suspicion list.
No, I've been assuming that Orig is either vig or SK, but not mafia, and that therefore he still has a vested interest in killing mafia at this point. But yes, I had been assuming 2 scum. If having just one scum is even a moderately plausible distinct possibility, then obviously my plan needs to be scrapped without further comment. (As an aside, we haven't really looked at the 6:1 or 5:1:1 scenarios in detail yet, have we?)vollkan wrote:Your course of action, rather interestingly, assumes unquestionably that Orig is a vig and that we have 2 scum left. If Orig is SK, things are very different and simply lynching as you are suggesting to eliminate people is absolutely dangerous.
Welcome back, spurgistan!streeflo wrote:spurgistan has risen from the grave to replace AlyG!!!