Newbie 1756: Balloon (Game Over)

[Accountant]

This is the only thing keeping me from voting Misa right now. I'd expect scum to read the thread more closely than that.

I strongly disagree. Inattentiveness or apathy is more due to the sort of player Misa is in general than due to her role PM influencing her behavior.

[Manuel87]

@Accountant: Do you think my case on Tweet has no valid points?
What is your townread on Tweet based on?
If you ignore me pressuring her what exactly makes her different from Misa or Norsak?

[NorskaBlue]

Hell of a first game. I'm confident that Acc and Transcend are town, and Char seems to be clear. After that, it gets kinda murky for me.

WCS is very erratic, jumping from people being conf town to conf scum and back again. But I'm starting to think that's just how he posts rather than anything nefarious.

Leaning town with Tweet for similar reasons to A and T; ie, she is asking questions and making reasonable judgements.

Feels like Misa is playing a very quiet devil's advocate. Seems like a lot of her posts are made just to deflate peoples lines of thought without really taking a stance herself. Although she did say in #352 she tends to be a 'support-class townie'. I don't know if that's a thing or not.

Got nothing on thatsit. Very low activity, not really pushing the discussion, but then again, neither have I. As a newbie, I share his sentiment in post #404 (not found) that it can be difficult to contribute, due to (for me at least) not yet having a grasp on the meta and techniques that are more familiar for experienced players. Whether thatsit's newbiness is genuine or a cover, I am not the one to judge.

Manuel is pretty neutral to me. Going over his ISO, there's nothing that really jumps out as particularly towny or scummy. I do wish he'd spell my name right though.

Putting that in order from most-town to least-town:
{Accountant, Charloux}
{Transcend}
{Morning Tweet}
{WCSBO, Manuel}
{thatsit}
{MisaTange}

VOTE: MisaTange, which puts him on L-2, I think.

[Charloux]

Charloux, if there is any player that you consider the most mysterious and the most puzzling to you, who would it be?

That would be you. I seriously can't comprehend what is going on in your head when you make you posts. I haven't seen such chaos in awhile.

Which players are most null to you?

Thatsit.

There are 3 things i am certain about right now
1)Accountant and Transcend are town. I think Manuel is town as well, but i'm not too confident.
2)Both scum are likely in the Norska, Tweet, thatsit, WCSBO, Misa. WCSBO can be ignored, because he will die N2 if he is town.
3)Transcend should be treated as an insane cop.

[borkjerfkin]

Votecount 1.10

[3] MisaTange (Transcend, WeCanSimplyBeOurselves, NorskaBlue)
[2] WeCanSimplyBeOurselves (thatsit, MisaTange)
[1] Morning Tweet (Manuel87)
[1] NorskaBlue (Charloux)

[2] Not Voting (Accountant, Morning Tweet)

With 9 alive, it is 5 to lynch.

Let me know if you see any problems.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-11-27 00:00:00)

[Accountant]

@Accountant: Do you think my case on Tweet has no valid points?
What is your townread on Tweet based on?
If you ignore me pressuring her what exactly makes her different from Misa or Norsak?

No, I think it has some valid points, specifically your pointing out that Tweet seems to care about whether or not other people want to lynch WCS because she's worried she'll lok bad if she hammers. I just don't think that's enough to make her scum. I explained why I townread her in the last page, which also explains why she's different from Misa and Norska.

[Transcend]

Misa:

Why the fuck is your vote where it is lol

Accountant:

Are you ready to make a vote? I'm surprised you don't have a vote up yet.

Manny:

Are you still satisfied with your vote?

Thatsit:

Can you do something game advancing? My tr on u is dwindling.

Charloux:

Care to contribute to the game in a way that isn't shade throwing?

[Charloux]

Charloux:
Care to contribute to the game in a way that isn't shade throwing?

If it's not sheeping you, i'm all ears. What isn't shade throwing?

[Transcend]

What're your reads :p

Or will u just be a useless pos until u get night killed :p

[Charloux]

Accountant is town or we're fucked!
Transcend's ego is too big to be scum!
WCSBO IS TOO SCUMMY TO BE SCUM! Or that's what he wants us to think, HA! Scumlean!

Something like this Transcend? That's how i view your play so far.

[WeCanSimplyBeOurselves]

Charloux, if there is any player that you consider the most mysterious and the most puzzling to you, who would it be?

That would be you. I seriously can't comprehend what is going on in your head when you make you posts. I haven't seen such chaos in awhile.

Which players are most null to you?

Thatsit.

There are 3 things i am certain about right now
1)Accountant and Transcend are town. I think Manuel is town as well, but i'm not too confident.
2)Both scum are likely in the Norska, Tweet, thatsit, WCSBO, Misa. WCSBO can be ignored, because he will die N2 if he is town.
3)Transcend should be treated as an insane cop.

Thank you very much for your answers. I'm dead either night 1, dead night 2 or I'm lynched day 2.

What is your case for Accountant being town? What do you think of my point of him being an experienced enough player that he can seem super town and like he's scumhunting people even if he's not really doing that? What do you think of his wanting to change from Tweet to Misa and then me going along with it? What do you think of the part I changed to blue text within what he said here:

Manuel v. Tweet is TvT.

Manuel is town because I think scum!Manuel would sit on a lurker rather than push you. You're town for the same reasons Transcend is - you've been making consistently solid posts and your thought process is clear and I think oriented towards trying to identify and lynch scum. While it's not to say that scum can't make solid posts, I think it's much harder for scum to fake that kind of mindset.

Scum trying to look town usually make posts that look good on the surface but that don't contribute much to actual scumhunting, but I didn't get the impression at your posts are shallow.

Furthermore, the easy way in which everyone else seems to be letting you two fight or focusing on your fight seems to me to be a sign of either apathy or scum who is more than happy to let two town members go at each other tooth and nail. In particular I think townies would try to push their own scumreads rather than try to make the decision into a false dichotomy of Manuel vs Tweet. This is why Misa's lack of scumreads is very concerning to me - I think she doesn't have any so she can go "well, I don't have anyone to push, so I'll just pick between Manuel and Tweet".

?

If I'm right about him being experienced enough to act like he is scumhunting when he isn't... don't you think this is a very conveinent way to cover his own doing that? And perhaps Misa's apparent lurking is more anti-town than scum whereas Accountant is too good of a player to seem anti-town even if he's scum?

If

we're wrong about Accountant being town and he's scum instead... do you think that Tweet might be his scumbuddy and that's why he tried to move us away from Tweet when Manuel and Tweet were going at each other? What about him saying that they were two townies going at each other when I'd said the same thing about him and you going at each other earlier? Do you think he used my idea to say the same thing about Tweet and Manuel... to turn us away from Tweet who is his scumbuddy.

How sure are you that Accountant is non-scummy rather than non-anti town? How sure are you that his behavior is that of a townie rather than an experienced player playing as scum who also has to be helpful as an IC?

Overall perhaps Accountant is a townie just scumhunting aggressively and perhaps even though he's a very experienced player he'd be less aggressive as scum.... but I will ask you this:

If

you're wrong about Accountant's alignment and he's actually scum... what do you think of my theory that Tweet is scum

if

Accountant is?

[Transcend]

Just get night killed already

You know damn well you deserved all the scum reads you got. Yourb play was pitiful. Stop being a saltbag about it.

[borkjerfkin]

Please treat your fellow players with respect. At the same time, please try not to take comments personally whenever possible.

Would be a good time for everyone to review the rules before this gets out of hand. Thanks.

[Transcend]

Sry I'll tone it down but he's discrediting my play and i don't take that lightly

[Charloux]

Sry I'll tone it down but he's discrediting my play and i don't take that lightly

But it's ok to discredit others?

@WCSBO: I talked with Accountant and his posts and motivation are towny. Even if he didn't drop my wagon(for a time) to get other reads, he would still be my top townread. If, by some chance, he IS scum, the only thing i would say is "gg, you deserved it".

[Manuel87]

Manny:Are you still satisfied with your vote?

Yes i am. I think the Tweet wagon has way to much resistance compared to the Misa push and the WCS wagon earlier in the game.

[Morning Tweet]

@WCS
Really, I'm Accountant's most likely scumpartner? I'm the only person in the game not townreading Accountant, and I hate how he's getting a free pass for "active scumhunting, seems town".

@Manuel
Do you want me to respond to your last post with our exchange quote tower?
Pedit: What makes you think it's scum resistance compared to it just being a bad case?

@Charloux
You know who you have to heal tonight.. right? I'm bringing this up before the lynch on the slim chance I miss it, because I'm 99% sure you don't know what you're doing, and we're going to lose valuable information tomorrow.

[Accountant]

Are you ready to make a vote? I'm surprised you don't have a vote up yet.

I am too! I thought I had a vote on Misa, but apparently not!

VOTE: Misa

[Accountant]

That's L-1. Remember to state intent and wait for claim.

[Transcend]

[Accountant]

Transcend, chill a bit. Not the first impression we want to give to newbies.

[Transcend]

Manny:Are you still satisfied with your vote?

Yes i am. I think the Tweet wagon has way to much resistance compared to the Misa push and the WCS wagon earlier in the game.

Hmm

What do you think of the ppl voting misa tho

There is lots of tweet resistance, but it could be a bunch of town not wanting to vote her?

[borkjerfkin]

Votecount 1.11

[4] MisaTange (Transcend, WeCanSimplyBeOurselves, NorskaBlue, Accountant)
[2] WeCanSimplyBeOurselves (thatsit, MisaTange)
[1] Morning Tweet (Manuel87)
[1] NorskaBlue (Charloux)

[1] Not Voting (Morning Tweet)

With 9 alive, it is 5 to lynch.

Let me know if you see any problems.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-11-27 00:00:00)

[Accountant]

@Charloux: Are you set on Norska, or do you have intent to move over and hammer? You didn't seem to be dead set on Norska.

[Charloux]

@Charloux: Are you set on Norska, or do you have intent to move over and hammer? You didn't seem to be dead set on Norska.

Still think Norska is the best lynch for now.
I don't see any AI post from Misa, and i don't think you will be able to get him to play seriously by wagonizing him. Like i'm looking at a Creature alt.

Intent to lolhammer