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Post Post #275 (ISO) » Sun Nov 20, 2016 11:31 am

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Vote Count 2.1


fruitsman (1) - nn30

Not voting (6) - Accountant, ArcAngel9, fruitsman, keyenpeydee, Vijarada, Wyvernite


With seven players alive, it takes four votes to lynch.

Deadline for Day Two is Sunday, 4th December 1pm GMT, (in (expired on 2016-12-04 13:00:00)).
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Post Post #276 (ISO) » Sun Nov 20, 2016 2:19 pm

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Hey! Weigh in fam. Game doesn't move forward unless we talk about stuff.
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Post Post #277 (ISO) » Sun Nov 20, 2016 2:25 pm

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fruitsman, for most of the game, you've been uncertain about reads. What makes you suddenly so certain nn30 is scum?
There's nothing that says that a fake can't beat the real thing.

You must not imagine that for beings like you and us there can be laughter. The low men laugh, and we envy them. But for us, the higher ones, there is no laughter, only an unending vigil, purely serious, stretching on into the night.
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Post Post #278 (ISO) » Sun Nov 20, 2016 9:06 pm

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I don't want to lynch fruitsman today.
VOTE: Wyvern. More later, probably
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Post Post #279 (ISO) » Mon Nov 21, 2016 2:12 am

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In post 270, Accountant wrote:
In post 268, ArcAngel9 wrote:Accountant - You better have a valid explanation on why you didn't choose to look other cases and only focused on Xnadrojx?
XnadrojX was the scummiest. It's not like I didn't look at other cases, I just focused on the scummiest one most. Now, why were you so certain XX was town?
Its not about Xnadrojx looked town. I thought he was probably town based on his reactions but now i think you're the scum.

Being IC, it is your duty push players to see and focus on the other options to scum hunt but you only focused the entire game to push XX wagon.

VOTE: Accountant
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Post Post #280 (ISO) » Mon Nov 21, 2016 2:32 am

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In post 279, ArcAngel9 wrote:Being IC, it is your duty push players to see and focus on the other options to scum hunt but you only focused the entire game to push XX wagon.
Can you please show me where it says the IC has a duty to present other options to the players for no reason, evem if they think those other options aren't scum?

Now, suppose it was indeed an IC duty to do so. Do you think I would intentionally be a bad IC if I drew scum?
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You must not imagine that for beings like you and us there can be laughter. The low men laugh, and we envy them. But for us, the higher ones, there is no laughter, only an unending vigil, purely serious, stretching on into the night.
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Post Post #281 (ISO) » Mon Nov 21, 2016 3:25 am

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In post 279, ArcAngel9 wrote:
In post 270, Accountant wrote:
In post 268, ArcAngel9 wrote:Accountant - You better have a valid explanation on why you didn't choose to look other cases and only focused on Xnadrojx?
XnadrojX was the scummiest. It's not like I didn't look at other cases, I just focused on the scummiest one most. Now, why were you so certain XX was town?
Its not about Xnadrojx looked town. I thought he was probably town based on his reactions but now i think you're the scum.

Being IC, it is your duty push players to see and focus on the other options to scum hunt but you only focused the entire game to push XX wagon.

VOTE: Accountant
I don't understand what you're trying to point out. IC are, indeed, the most superior in newbie games but that doesn't stop them to play and suspect freely on other players. IC are just people who help newbies in terms of what will they do etc (as what I think) but not dictate them what to do. Your reasons are invalid.
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Post Post #282 (ISO) » Mon Nov 21, 2016 3:33 am

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@nn30 - Are you trying to say fruitsman can't have scum reads with someone rather than XX?
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Post Post #283 (ISO) » Mon Nov 21, 2016 4:22 am

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@Keyen - please rephrase. I've read your sentence 3 times now and still don't know what you mean.
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Post Post #284 (ISO) » Mon Nov 21, 2016 4:34 am

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In post 283, nn30 wrote:@Keyen - please rephrase. I've read your sentence 3 times now and still don't know what you mean.
Sorry, I mean that I think you're trying to point out that Fruitsman can't have other scum reads. I'm not defending him though but if he finds XX scummy and you scummy too, then is there a problem?

I've been also trying to think that you're town because first, You're suspecting everybody who suspects you and doesn't vote for you or is this just a scum strategy? But I also don't find you scummy enough to think that way.

If my english is bad, I'm not feeling it.
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Post Post #285 (ISO) » Mon Nov 21, 2016 4:48 am

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I didn't suspect Accountant or Vijarada (they led the discussion against me early game).

Fruits can have other scum reads. I'm saying that his
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Post Post #286 (ISO) » Mon Nov 21, 2016 5:03 am

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You do have a point there. I want to see more before I judge.
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Post Post #287 (ISO) » Mon Nov 21, 2016 7:58 pm

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I will post soon, today and tomorrow and maybe even Wednesday I may not be able to respond with much frequency. Lot's of obligations/responsibilities to cover.

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Post Post #288 (ISO) » Mon Nov 21, 2016 8:11 pm

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@Fruitsman - np, life > game
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Post Post #289 (ISO) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 2:15 am

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We need to talk.
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Post Post #290 (ISO) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 4:15 am

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Seeking a replacement for Wyvernite who hasn't picked up the day-start PM. If he returns before I find a replacement he can stay in.

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Post Post #291 (ISO) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 4:17 am

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@Vijarada: Thoughts on ArcAngel?

I'd like a Wyvernite or fruitsman vote today, but I am waiting for them to come back on and talk before I make up my mind.
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Post Post #292 (ISO) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 7:05 am

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ScumDeersAreVeryTasty replaces Wyvernite

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Post Post #293 (ISO) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 7:06 am

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Post Post #294 (ISO) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 7:47 am

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In post 280, Accountant wrote:
In post 279, ArcAngel9 wrote:Being IC, it is your duty push players to see and focus on the other options to scum hunt but you only focused the entire game to push XX wagon.
Can you please show me where it says the IC has a duty to present other options to the players for no reason, evem if they think those other options aren't scum?

Now, suppose it was indeed an IC duty to do so. Do you think I would intentionally be a bad IC if I drew scum?

Its the way you played the game.I understand that it is not set or written on stone that you play against your win condition if you're an IC but i am not satisfied with the way you played game on Day1. the IC's aligned to town are usually focus on everyone and tries to give more time on day1 and you didn't do that Xnandarj. He is just new, You could have let him take a breathe and come back with better way to defend himself and the mean while you could have really tried to divert this town to if there is anything else that required the attention.

I feel your lack of motivation to look things around on day 1 seems scummy.


Key - Are you town or are you scum wiht Accountant? I am bit surprised that you encouraged Xnandaraj wagon yesterday. He was looking town all through the game, why you ?
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Post Post #295 (ISO) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 8:14 am

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In post 294, ArcAngel9 wrote:Its the way you played the game.I understand that it is not set or written on stone that you play against your win condition if you're an IC but i am not satisfied with the way you played game on Day1. the IC's aligned to town are usually focus on everyone and tries to give more time on day1 and you didn't do that Xnandarj. He is just new, You could have let him take a breathe and come back with better way to defend himself and the mean while you could have really tried to divert this town to if there is anything else that required the attention.
1) You're assuming that there is a one size fits all for IC town play, 2) that all town aligned IC's play this way, 3) that Accountant didn't play this way and that 4) that the result of Accountant not playing in this way (in your estimation) means he is scum.

Re: 1 there is no one size fits all for town IC play.

Re 2: Even if there was a one size fits all for town IC play, there's nothing that necessitates that Accountant has to play this way to be town aligned.

Re 3: Frankly, he
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Re 4: He isn't scum for differing from your ideal. He's human - this is a NAI trait.
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Post Post #296 (ISO) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 8:16 am

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@Accountant - why do you want a Wyvernite lynch today?
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Post Post #297 (ISO) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 9:22 am

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In post 291, Accountant wrote:@Vijarada: Thoughts on ArcAngel?

I'd like a Wyvernite or fruitsman vote today, but I am waiting for them to come back on and talk before I make up my mind.
I don't think arcangel has done anything particularly alignment indicative today.
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Post Post #298 (ISO) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 9:23 am

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In post 294, ArcAngel9 wrote:Its the way you played the game.I understand that it is not set or written on stone that you play against your win condition if you're an IC but i am not satisfied with the way you played game on Day1. the IC's aligned to town are usually focus on everyone and tries to give more time on day1 and you didn't do that Xnandarj. He is just new, You could have let him take a breathe and come back with better way to defend himself and the mean while you could have really tried to divert this town to if there is anything else that required the attention.
He actually wasn't talking to nadro that much until nadro critisized him for not doing so.
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Post Post #299 (ISO) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 9:25 am

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In post 296, nn30 wrote:@Accountant - why do you want a Wyvernite lynch today?
I'm not accountant but I want to lynch him because his activity yesterday was just agressively following the crowd in every post.

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