Mini 1852 - Werewolves and Jester win!

mhsmith0 · Post Post #375 (ISO) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 7:48 am

Eh, I guess. It's kind of weird seeing that post at the guy who's the current main wagon, but it's not like he's L-1 or anything.

The Gamma wagon seems odd to me. I'm pretty much town-reading Hiraki/Jaack, and the PUPPER slot is probably just a mod troll slot, and I don't hate Coug, so by that alone it'd seem like an OK wagon to hop on, but I don't actually think Gamma is a wolf.

Any thoughts on McMenno? I don't think I've seen him play before (IIRC I'd skimmed a game of his a while ago, I think it was that micro with Zyf, but I don't remember much about it); anyone familiar with his meta? That hop onto Gamma seemed pretty empty for a vote that turned him into much more of a solid contender for being lynched today.

KuroiXHF · Post Post #376 (ISO) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 7:52 am

I think Gamma is scummy, but not scum.

McMenno, I'm not too sure about. At first, I was thinking town because of his apathy, but I need to read some past games to be so sure, and I'm not sure right now.

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #377 (ISO) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 8:01 am

Thinking on it while McMenno's vote was bad his play feels like his townplay.

Hiraki · Post Post #378 (ISO) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 8:01 am

ill be honest - mcmenno has jumped up my list a little bit but for the fact that gamma is still alive means that i can't go for mcmenno atm

feel free to call me a lyncher, im just catching scum bros

KuroiXHF · Post Post #379 (ISO) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 8:03 am

In post 378, Hiraki wrote:ill be honest - mcmenno has jumped up my list a little bit but for the fact that gamma is still alive means that i can't go for mcmenno atm

feel free to call me a lyncher, im just catching scum bros

Personally, I have no trouble with this. I don't believe a lyncher win means town loses.
And that's if you're a lyncher.

Vedith · Post Post #380 (ISO) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 8:04 am

In post 375, mhsmith0 wrote:Any thoughts on McMenno? I don't think I've seen him play before (IIRC I'd skimmed a game of his a while ago, I think it was that micro with Zyf, but I don't remember much about it); anyone familiar with his meta? That hop onto Gamma seemed pretty empty for a vote that turned him into much more of a solid contender for being lynched today.

I feel that I read McMeno well enough to be convinced he's scum here.
Best thing to do is look at his last 3 town and last 3 scum/3rd party.

As it stands, the 2 main focus has been Pepper, who if mod controlled won't give a shit and Gamma... Why do you expect him to not react the way he was.
The reasoning is bad anyway.

Sadly I agree that Hiraki is just VI and not scum.
Jaack, we can work on him later, he becomes pretty obvious town imo.
Coug is most likely flipping scum alllllllllllllllllllll day. That slight town read on me is dreadful, I go from joking in the game to debating with Hiraki. I don't think Coug has enough experience with me there to not see that as more scummy than not. Seems to be voting anywhere that doesn't seem too threatning.
Votes Dreal first, quickly jumps off, seems to not want to confrontation. Votes Gamma, which is an easier pick as Gamma has a lot of focus there.Has their eye on McScumbag, because yeah, that means a lot.
Makes no effort into sorting Gamma, or scum hunting.

As it stands - Coug or McMeno to be lynched, probably both scum.

Kling and Alpaca I want to see more of.
I don't like how Alpaca has these disappearing acts in games, lets hope it doesn't happen too often in this one.

Vedith · Post Post #381 (ISO) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 8:04 am

In post 378, Hiraki wrote:ill be honest - mcmenno has jumped up my list a little bit but for the fact that gamma is still alive means that i can't go for mcmenno atm

feel free to call me a lyncher, im just catching scum bros

Take your head out of your arse.

Vedith · Post Post #382 (ISO) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 8:05 am

In post 379, KuroiXHF wrote:Personally, I have no trouble with this. I don't believe a lyncher win means town loses.
And that's if you're a lyncher.

You're okay if he's the lyncher?
No Kuroi... Do something worth while.

Vedith · Post Post #383 (ISO) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 8:10 am

@Von - Are prods 24 or 48?

You might as well start looking for a Snarky replacement now, she never posts content.

vonflare · Post Post #384 (ISO) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 8:12 am

In post 383, Vedith wrote:
@Von - Are prods 24 or 48?

You might as well start looking for a Snarky replacement now, she never posts content.

prods are 48 hours, but I usually send them out at 46 or so, so if they post within the next 2 hours I don't count it as a prod against their max 3.

Hiraki · Post Post #385 (ISO) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 8:53 am

In post 381, Vedith wrote:
In post 378, Hiraki wrote:ill be honest - mcmenno has jumped up my list a little bit but for the fact that gamma is still alive means that i can't go for mcmenno atm

feel free to call me a lyncher, im just catching scum bros
Take your head out of your arse.

you have not convinced one person with your arguments but I have done so

am I really the one with my head in my ass?

KuroiXHF · Post Post #386 (ISO) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 8:56 am

In post 382, Vedith wrote:
In post 379, KuroiXHF wrote:Personally, I have no trouble with this. I don't believe a lyncher win means town loses.
And that's if you're a lyncher.
You're okay if he's the lyncher?
No Kuroi... Do something worth while.

I have the second most posts this game. I've spent a lot of time in this game.
I feel like I've been doing something worth while.
You just disagree with me. I'm more worried about catching scum than worried if a win condition that has nothing to do with me and doesn't affect me is fulfilled or not.
And again, I don't know he's a lyncher.

Vedith · Post Post #387 (ISO) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 8:58 am

In post 385, Hiraki wrote:you have not convinced one person with your arguments but I have done so

am I really the one with my head in my ass?

Yes, you really are.
You are refusing to look/deal with others. You really are VI, aren't you?

Hiraki · Post Post #388 (ISO) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 9:00 am

i've looked at every player but if you continue to insult me, i'm honestly ready to leave

you're the ONLY one accusing me of this and you just happen to be a scumread of mine

Vedith · Post Post #389 (ISO) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 9:02 am

In post 386, KuroiXHF wrote:I have the second most posts this game. I've spent a lot of time in this game.
I feel like I've been doing something worth while.
You just disagree with me. I'm more worried about catching scum than worried if a win condition that has nothing to do with me and doesn't affect me is fulfilled or not.
And again, I don't know he's a lyncher.

Why does it even matter then?
You don't care if he's a lyncher or not just tells me you don't care what Gamma's alignment is.
You're not even voting Gamma and you don't care if his tunnel could be on town from his win condition...

Vedith · Post Post #390 (ISO) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 9:06 am

In post 388, Hiraki wrote:i've looked at every player but if you continue to insult me, i'm honestly ready to leave

you're the ONLY one accusing me of this and you just happen to be a scumread of mine

It's not actually an insult, you can't tell me that I'm the first person to refer to you as a VI...
So people that you scum read can't have a negative comment against you? Are you even listening to yourself?
You are playing so badly, you are saying "Yeah he can be scum, but I can't lose face and take my Gamma vote off". That's why your head is up your arse, I'm actually looking at each individual, unlike you.

StrangerCoug · Post Post #391 (ISO) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 9:09 am

In post 357, KuroiXHF wrote:I see. I know IGMEOY at FOS (Finger of Suspicion).

I use FoS as well for when I feel it's too strong to warrant an IGMEOY.

In post 368, McMenno wrote:must follow the pupper

VOTE: gamma

This reeks of a bus of Gamma. Welcome to my #2 suspect slot.

Also, answer my question in #231.

KuroiXHF · Post Post #392 (ISO) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 9:13 am

In post 389, Vedith wrote:
In post 386, KuroiXHF wrote:I have the second most posts this game. I've spent a lot of time in this game.
I feel like I've been doing something worth while.
You just disagree with me. I'm more worried about catching scum than worried if a win condition that has nothing to do with me and doesn't affect me is fulfilled or not.
And again, I don't know he's a lyncher.
Why does it even matter then?
You don't care if he's a lyncher or not just tells me you don't care what Gamma's alignment is.
You're not even voting Gamma and you don't care if his tunnel could be on town from his win condition...

Wtf.
You might want to try for the Olympics because that was a record leap in logic

StrangerCoug · Post Post #393 (ISO) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 9:16 am

Oh, and:

In post 380, Vedith wrote:I don't think Coug has enough experience with me there to not see that as more scummy than not.

Nice try at a meta defense. You've played almost a year and a half and you should know that experienced players are able to manipulate their meta by now.

In post 380, Vedith wrote:Makes no effort into sorting Gamma, or scum hunting.

I think voting Gamma and leaving my vote there for this long means I have him sorted, don't you think? I know you don't like my motive for voting him, but that's a different story altogether.

Also, I have school and responsibilities. I am consciously trying to figure this game out, and I don't expect to solve the game overnight.

Hiraki · Post Post #394 (ISO) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 9:18 am

i just wrote out a long post and then had to somehow log-in and I have no intention of writing it again

our differences are literally irreconcilable at this point and I hate to be that guy but I am on the edge of leaving because I don't want to play with Vedith for being an absolute prick

The following, according to Vedith, are not insults and somehow promote good discussion to the game:

In post 390, Vedith wrote:You are playing so badly

In post 387, Vedith wrote:Yes, you really are.

in reference to my take your head out of your arse response

In post 381, Vedith wrote:
In post 378, Hiraki wrote:ill be honest - mcmenno has jumped up my list a little bit but for the fact that gamma is still alive means that i can't go for mcmenno atm

feel free to call me a lyncher, im just catching scum bros
Take your head out of your arse.

In post 337, Vedith wrote:
In post 286, Hiraki wrote:see - this is why drealmerz, even if he might be scum, doesn't deserve death today
What a shot post.

It's quite honestly unacceptable 10-year old behavior that I'm not going to deal with.

Here's stuff that I'm OK with:

In post 380, Vedith wrote:Sadly I agree that Hiraki is just VI and not scum.

literally ISO 28-30 is a civil discussion between disagreements

There's nothing wrong with stating your opinion - there's something wrong with making posts that have no point and are clearly trying to just get the other person agitated.

Off that:

Vedith wrote:So people that you scum read can't have a negative comment against you? Are you even listening to yourself?

I am not scumreading everyone that I disagree with.

Vedith · Post Post #395 (ISO) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 9:31 am

In post 393, StrangerCoug wrote:Nice try at a meta defense. You've played almost a year and a half and you should know that experienced players are able to manipulate their meta by now.

You missed my entire point. I'm saying there was no reason to town read me there.

In post 393, StrangerCoug wrote:I think voting Gamma and leaving my vote there for this long means I have him sorted, don't you think? I know you don't like my motive for voting him, but that's a different story altogether.

Also, I have school and responsibilities. I am consciously trying to figure this game out, and I don't expect to solve the game overnight.

You're not showing that you want to either...

Vedith · Post Post #396 (ISO) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 9:37 am

In post 394, Hiraki wrote:There's nothing wrong with stating your opinion - there's something wrong with making posts that have no point and are clearly trying to just get the other person agitated.

You can't put the blame on me if you're a sensitive bunny.
Telling someone they are playing really bad should be seen as constructive criticism, but yet you are using this as your reason to ignore what I am actually saying about you.

We even agree on McMeno, to a level, and yet you have no intention of working together to solve it.
So this is why you are playing bad!

Hiraki · Post Post #397 (ISO) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 9:44 am

I'm literally dealing with the incarnation of Donald Trump's persona on Twitter.

Mod: Sorry, I really

really

hate to do this but I have no will to play with this prick. If you don't think his actions are enough for at least a warning, please replace me.

For everyone else in the game, if you agree with me in some sense about his behavior - not even regarding lynching Vedith - please say something.

To Vedith, I hope you change for your own sake.

Vedith · Post Post #398 (ISO) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 10:00 am

In post 397, Hiraki wrote:I'm literally dealing with the incarnation of Donald Trump's persona on Twitter.

Mod: Sorry, I really
really
hate to do this but I have no will to play with this prick. If you don't think his actions are enough for at least a warning, please replace me.

For everyone else in the game, if you agree with me in some sense about his behavior - not even regarding lynching Vedith - please say something.

To Vedith, I hope you change for your own sake.

I mean, I'm not looking to build a wall.
You can't get a warning for pointing out how shit a play is... Where are you even... The difference on us, I'm insulting your play, you're insulting me.

mhsmith0 · Post Post #399 (ISO) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 10:19 am

@Vedith:
Stuff like

I struggle to see you flipping town with that mind set, however, VI is pretty common.

Sadly I agree that Hiraki is just VI and not scum.

Take your head out of your arse.

You really are VI, aren't you

is insulting, and shouldn't be part of the game (though admittedly I sometimes screw up along those lines myself). I'd say that your engagement with Hiraki has been more insulting than actual constructive criticism, and it's reasonable for him to be upset (though probably thin-skinned, since I've seen plenty worse than this in games).

@Hiraki:
Some of the stuff Vedith has posted hasn't been nice, true, but I don't know that it really rises to the level of a warning either. I'd probably say that both of you would be better off disengaging from each other, though, since I don't think it's being productive on either end.
I'd also say taht stuff like

I'm literally dealing with the incarnation of Donald Trump's persona on Twitter.

isn't really appropriate either, fwiw.