Open 657: JK9++ (Game over)

[bangthemafia]

So i read through all of this and Creature and MDS looks town-aligned to me. What gets me is Lane in all of this. He keeps on beating a "dead horse", keeps pushing for Creature to reveal, and for some reason cant see that klingon probably didnt choose Creature to hide behind since he was a very good choice at night kill.

Bad read, bro! On both Lane and Creature. Inspite of his PR claim, right now to me, Creature is scummier than Lane!

[bangthemafia]

I'll read whole thread at weekend. I'll try to post few thoughts within 12 hours.

And you can call me Deer or VT.

Plus, Can i get a small summary so that i can come up with at least something as i dont want to read all posts before the weekend?

Welcome! There is no short cut to reading. Every summery will be tinted with the summerizer's prejudice, bias and ulterior motives. So read and make up your mind.

[MiniDeathStar]

Not that I'm townreading Jin but I think being a noosebait is kind of his thing. That's what I remember from our time together.

I'm townreading Creature atm because both the confirmed scum and my strongest scumread right now wanted him dead yesterday.

[Charloux]

Ouch well done MDS, i can't defend against half of those points. I hope i'll be here during twilight.

[MiniDeathStar]

Charlie, if you're town you should at least make the effort. Otherwise you'll be misleading everybody.

[Charloux]

Don't worry i can 2 scumreads with me to the grave with just one lynch.

[Charloux]

And how on earth do i defend myself against something another guy did? I can explain my actions, but i can't do anything else.

[MiniDeathStar]

Ouch well done MDS, i can't defend against half of those points. I hope i'll be here during twilight.

Don't worry i can 2 scumreads with me to the grave with just one lynch.

I see what you did there.
UNVOTE: Charloux

[MiniDeathStar]

God damn do my reads suck this game.

[MiniDeathStar]

Scum Meter
Tiger moth
Charloux
lane0168
Creature
TwiszTed
Secret Agent Jin
bangthemafia
Kop

town

|

~town

|

null

|

~scum

|

scum

[Charloux]

You put me in the top townreads just because i claimed?

UNVOTE: Creature
If Bang is mafia, what prevents him from claiming a PR? Or anybody else for that matter?

Earlier i asked this, how about you answer now?

[MiniDeathStar]

Okay, so with Charloux's vengeful claim he's conftown and now I definitely know there's 3 mafia (now 2 left) in the game, and another killing role (either vig or SK). FMPOV, POE says we have a very good chance of getting scum if we lynch in the greys right now, so that's nice. Hopefully we'll nail the mafia JOAT but I'm not counting on it.

@Charloux

vengeful is a super bad claim for scum. So yeah, I'm putting you in the townreads. I'm trusting the claim over my educated guess based on yours and alban's interactions with each other.

[MiniDeathStar]

You put me in the top townreads just because i claimed?

UNVOTE: Creature
If Bang is mafia, what prevents him from claiming a PR? Or anybody else for that matter?

Earlier i asked this, how about you answer now?

Nothing. It's just not the best course of action because the setup is dependent on the number of PRs in the game, so sooner or later they may be counterclaimed by the real PRs or exposed when they die. Plus, a PR surviving for a long time arouses suspicion. Not to mention trackers. VTs are a much bigger and more reliable pool for scum to hide in.

[MiniDeathStar]

Okay, I thought it over lunch and now I think

the vig who killed alban should claim

. Why?

- It'll help us understand the game better and estimate how many mislynches we have left.
- It'll narrow down the pool of VTs for scum to blend in.
- It'll distract the scum for a night to possibly allow an investigative PR to do their thing.
- It'll prevent investigative PRs from scanning you by accident.
- We'll assume you aren't SK because if you are, we can lynch you if we kill all mafia but game isn't over.
- Additional assurance against an SK because we will know your targets.
- If you don't claim, we'll know for sure there's an SK.

[MiniDeathStar]

FTR I think SK is far more likely probability-wise so that's another reason I want a vig claim right now.

[MiniDeathStar]

Nice town we have here.

[lane0168]

Don't worry i can 2 scumreads with me to the grave with just one lynch.

2? What do you mean?

[MiniDeathStar]

Charloux claimed town vengeful. They shoot somebody when lynched. So Charl + his kill = 2 scumreads to the grave with one lynch.

[lane0168]

Oh he was talking to you specifically. Threw me off.

[lane0168]

KKHCTTT with vig

KHCTTTT without vig

So far

[lane0168]

Either way there needs to be another power role somewhere if we're believing creature. Or there's a missing kill

[lane0168]

So

KKHCUTT with vig no sk. C=creature u=unknown

KHCUTTT with sk, no vig

[lane0168]

This is believe creature and Charloux... Wait, that was pointless. Cause it's all screwed up of creature is a vig.

[MiniDeathStar]

Poor lane.

I think it'll all become clearer when/if vig claims. Otherwise we'll just have to observe deaths and maybe push for mass claim some day later.

[MiniDeathStar]

Oh and I'm definitely believing Charlie for now because claiming vengeful as scum is autolose in mylo/3-way.