Not Voting (4) - PeregrineV, Tammy, Kagami, Wisdom
The Current deadline is December 4th at 12pm EST in (expired on 2016-12-04 12:00:00)
With 10 alive - 6 are required to lynch.
Activity Check
- All good currently.
A general note on activity
- With the Thanksgiving holiday weekend upcoming my own activity will be reduced from Thursday to
Sunday and I would not expect more from you. Prodding will be suspended after Wednesday night and not resume until the next
Monday morning.
V/LA List
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PeregrineV will be V/LA Nov 21st to Nov 28th
farside22 will be V/LA until Nov 26th.
Last edited by MagnaofIllusion on Wed Nov 23, 2016 5:29 am, edited 1 time in total.
"I am a leaf on the wind ... watch how I soar!"
Pretty much Geriatric game restricted at this point ... unless there are players I REALLY want to play with.
In post 1267, Infinity 324 wrote:@nacho: Is it true that you almost always townread wisdom when he's town? How much confidence do you have in reading wisdom? Are there specific differences between this and other towngames of wisdom's? (Other than being less aggressive)
I think that town!wisdom is generally a universal townread; I don't really remember a lot of times offhand where Wisdom was scumread more than not and I was the lone person defending him. I have decent confidence in reading Wisdom when I'm scumreading him; I've already laid out why he's scum here as opposed to be town; why don't you start there?
The thing is, your scumread on wisdom is based on meta p much so I can't really agree or argue with your reasoning there. What I do know is that wisdom's interactions with shadow looks a whole lot less like SvS than yours do.
But the more this interaction goes on the more confident I am that it's SvT, so if nacho flips town I'd look hard at wisdom.
What I don't understand about your push on me is that your apology seemed legitimate; you seemed like you honestly regretted tunneling the shit out of me in two games in a row for two straight games, and, in this game, for just a couple blessed moments you were townreading me and apparently not falling into old habits and then suddenly you're pushing the shit out me all over again? Why?
"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
-- Fate, Vanilla Townie, was brutally stabbed by a throwing sword in endgame.
In post 1353, Nachomamma8 wrote:What I don't understand about your push on me is that your apology seemed legitimate; you seemed like you honestly regretted tunneling the shit out of me in two games in a row for two straight games, and, in this game, for just a couple blessed moments you were townreading me and apparently not falling into old habits and then suddenly you're pushing the shit out me all over again? Why?
Because he's scum and(failing at) faking read progression
In post 1353, Nachomamma8 wrote:What I don't understand about your push on me is that your apology seemed legitimate; you seemed like you honestly regretted tunneling the shit out of me in two games in a row for two straight games, and, in this game, for just a couple blessed moments you were townreading me and apparently not falling into old habits and then suddenly you're pushing the shit out me all over again? Why?
In post 1328, Infinity 324 wrote:@nacho Are you saying you voted leon just because shadow had more content? Because if so that's incredibly shallow, especially since at least imo shadow's catchup was largely fluff/empty questions.
No, I'm saying I voted Leon over shadow because Leon's catch up was worse.
Why was it worse?
Leon popped in thread, explained his townread on you from forever ago, then got weirded out and explained why he was defending you (what?), and then, when Wisdom pointed out that it looked a little strange, Leon said that he was only getting pushed by his inactivity when no one was talking about it in the first place. For one, I think that mafia are more likely than town to post content for the sake of posting content; as scum, I am far more focused on what I produce as opposed to my thoughts when posting as town and I think the post about you makes sense in that context. I didn't like him explaining why he was defending you out of nowhere; in what world is it a town mindset to post your read on someone and then immediately explain why you're posting it? That's being self-conscious about what you're doing. Then, the part where he says that he's being pushed about his inactivity... no idea where that came from, no idea why Leon would start at that angle immediately.
Shadow's catchup made a good point re: you and Kraska's argument over "you can't possibly believe this"; you were pushing kraska for pushing this argument on Wisdom when that culminated in a null read. I liked the "I'm townreading kraska for reasons that are detrimental to town" point; it seemed like an odd angle for scum to take; I did very sincerely want to question it because I wasn't quite sure what it was referring to (it didn't look like it was PR fishing), but didn't want to open that particular can of worms. I didn't mind his questions towards you and Bulbazak. Why did you scumread it?
"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
-- Fate, Vanilla Townie, was brutally stabbed by a throwing sword in endgame.
In post 1353, Nachomamma8 wrote:What I don't understand about your push on me is that your apology seemed legitimate; you seemed like you honestly regretted tunneling the shit out of me in two games in a row for two straight games, and, in this game, for just a couple blessed moments you were townreading me and apparently not falling into old habits and then suddenly you're pushing the shit out me all over again? Why?
Because you actually scum this time
When I flip town, will you vote Wisdom tomorrow?
"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
-- Fate, Vanilla Townie, was brutally stabbed by a throwing sword in endgame.
In post 1352, Infinity 324 wrote:But the more this interaction goes on the more confident I am that it's SvT, so if nacho flips town I'd look hard at wisdom.
"SvT" and "TvT" interactions don't exist.
People can get very confident about things and be wrong. What you should be doing is analyzing the merit of each side; when I flip town, your approach should be much less "hmmm, I guess I was wrong on Wisdom because Nacho was
super
confident" and more "oh. I guess Nacho had a point! I guess that Wisdom suddenly believing that Leon is a lyncher on town despite not having any reason to do so at all IS pretty sketchy!"
"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
-- Fate, Vanilla Townie, was brutally stabbed by a throwing sword in endgame.
In post 1363, Nachomamma8 wrote:I guess that Wisdom suddenly believing that Leon is a lyncher on town despite not having any reason to do so at all IS pretty sketchy!
Still waiting on your explanation for this, Wisdom; you said that me saying that you had no basis for it was wrong, prove it.
"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
-- Fate, Vanilla Townie, was brutally stabbed by a throwing sword in endgame.
In post 1282, Wisdom wrote:Given Leon's reaction to my push its practically confirmed he was lying about having scum as a target so theres your balance
(this isn't a reason by the way)
"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
-- Fate, Vanilla Townie, was brutally stabbed by a throwing sword in endgame.
In post 1335, Nachomamma8 wrote:His approach towards Leon today (acting like he's lyncher on town with absolutely no basis to do so) is scummy as shit; he's doing it because he's setting up a mislynch on Leon he drives through the mislynch on me.
also what the fuck is this?
a "mislynch" on Leon?
You think Leon is town or what?
also just noticed this post
lol
"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
-- Fate, Vanilla Townie, was brutally stabbed by a throwing sword in endgame.
lol indeed
"mislynch" aside, you're making it look like I'm "setting up" a lynch on him when it's absolutely clear we're lynching him before endgame anyway
