Newbie 1761: Welcome to Mafia (Game Over)
-
-
Equinox he/theyShot Counthe/they
- Shot Count
- Shot Count
- Posts: 10105
- Joined: April 12, 2010
- Pronoun: he/they
- Location: Los Angeles, CA
-
-
Clemency anyMafia Scumany
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 3546
- Joined: October 15, 2016
- Pronoun: any
- Location: just short of hell
-
-
Cheetory6 MS Painter
- MS Painter
- MS Painter
- Posts: 7403
- Joined: September 21, 2014
-
-
Clemency anyMafia Scumany
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 3546
- Joined: October 15, 2016
- Pronoun: any
- Location: just short of hell
-
-
MortFeld Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 2761
- Joined: November 21, 2015
- Location: Los Angeles, CA
To be clear, I never said Xnadro definitely scumread Zaraki - I just said that if Zaraki's reasoning was part of Xnadro's justification for his vote, Xnadro must be scumreading Zaraki for his reasoning. Xnadro has been wildly inconsistent as to whether or not Zaraki's reasoning was part of the justification for Xnadro's vote.In post 98, Cheetory6 wrote:
It seems more likely to me that he was trying to make a vote that he felt was doing something.mort wrote:It's possible I could have misread, but this is where I got the idea that he scumread Zaraki to some extent.
Whether that means that he's scum trying to pretend to be useful or town actually trying to be useful is kind of up in the air, but I think the general idea of him trying to have his cake and eat it too as scum just seems less likely to me than him just trying to get the ball rolling one way or the other.
If that makes sense?
The reason I'm struggling with this is that Xnadro continues to deny that having his cake and eating it too is what he was doing, in writing if not in his head. Instead, he shouts the word random and tells me that I read everything wrong. Yes, he might be stubborn town. But he also OMGUS voted me over the discussion. It's actually not just OMGUS, he's saying "you voted me over something I didn't do, you must be scum" when he clearly did what I accused him of. I feel like earnest town would have realized that something was amiss and reassessed their own play.-
-
ArcAngel9 Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Posts: 8517
- Joined: December 11, 2012
- Location: India
Hey mort, Before I catch up. What's is interesting in this game?Inatimeofancientgods,warlordsandkings,alandinturmoilcriedoutforahero.ShewasXena,amightyprincessforgedintheheatofbattle.Thepower,thepassion,thedanger.Hercouragewillchangetheworld-Xena Warrior Princess, Coming Soon!!-
-
MortFeld Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 2761
- Joined: November 21, 2015
- Location: Los Angeles, CA
-
-
Deimos27 Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 2246
- Joined: October 16, 2016
- Location: Finland/UK
For one reason or another, what was said "pinged' my intuition.In post 98, Cheetory6 wrote:Can you try and maybe put this "ping" into words?
Maybe the tone felt off, maybe the wording was weird. In any case, it generally means a gut scumlean.-
-
algebra Goon
- Goon
- Goon
- Posts: 441
- Joined: July 24, 2016
- Location: Math Class
-
-
algebra Goon
- Goon
- Goon
- Posts: 441
- Joined: July 24, 2016
- Location: Math Class
-
-
Cheetory6
-
-
algebra Goon
- Goon
- Goon
- Posts: 441
- Joined: July 24, 2016
- Location: Math Class
Want to actually do something or just float around doing shit?
-
-
Cheetory6 MS Painter
- MS Painter
- MS Painter
- Posts: 7403
- Joined: September 21, 2014
-
-
Cheetory6
-
-
karldilkington Townie
- Townie
- Townie
- Posts: 10
- Joined: November 20, 2016
- Location: UK
OK, a few things to say!
Mort 76: 27 isn't the only post where Xnadroj follows that line of logic (random primary, motive secondary.) Posts 41, 42, 44, I could go on.
I'm poorly wording myself with the phrase "gambit." My point is that in post 29, by placing a "random" vote which wasn't actually random, he prematurely took us out of RVS and started shifting blame to others very quickly. Now if that is a scum move, that is godawful as it puts you straight in the spotlight, especially if your subsequent reasoning for it isn't strong. For that reason, I don't see him as a scumread.
Mort 77: So I am suspicious because I'm both buddying up to Cheetory and I'm unreasonably having a go at Cheetory?!? Taken as a whole I don't really see how the tone of that post was off. You're definitely right that 18 sticks out like a sore scummy thumb though.
Mort 78:
That's fair. My questions to Zaraki are:
1: Why cling to your vote for so long?
2: You clearly didn't care too much for your own line of reasoning concerning RVS if you were willing to drop it so fast. Why not carry on arguing for it if you thought it was important? Why did you argue for so long if you didn't think it was important?
Cheetory 99:
My scumread on Zaraki is twofold. First, as everyone agrees, he held his vote on Deimos for way too long. Secondly, and yes this is partly gut, but the speed of his backtrack hardly screams town. Surely a town who has debated the game theory for so long would be more obstinate about the whole thing. Zaraki hasn't even gone for a "fine, I'll unvote but fuck you" kind of approach, he's just tried to move himself out of suspicion as quickly as possible. Where's that Townie emotion? If I can quote the wiki:
Deimos 86: Right, I seem to have generated some controversy with that statement. I just thought it was suspicious that Cheetory isn't going to share his town reads and I can't think of any valid reasons for doing so. I thought particularly weird for him to actively announce that he's withholding townreads. Then again, he's a more experienced player than me and no one else seems bothered by it. I'm willing to believe that he's got some trick up his sleeve, but if he can't justify withholding his information adequately further on down the line, I'm ready to throw some shade his way.Look for that frustration. Look for that resistance, that fight. It's often the distinguishing factor between a player knowing a player's town and not caring about the lynch (scum) and "knowing" a player's town and fighting to prove it (town).
As for withholding my vote despite my reasoning, I don't see why it's unreasonable. I haven't voted yet because I missed RVS and I feel waiting for Zaraki to offer a justification is worth it. If his justification is good then we should discuss it further, if it's not then it's the last piece of the puzzle. You're probably right that I've got enough to go on to make my vote right now, but now you've called me out on it, I don't know if doing that will make me look more suspicious or not! I best just stick to my reasoning for now.-
-
karldilkington Townie
- Townie
- Townie
- Posts: 10
- Joined: November 20, 2016
- Location: UK
Ok, so it isn't just me then!
-
-
algebra Goon
- Goon
- Goon
- Posts: 441
- Joined: July 24, 2016
- Location: Math Class
-
-
Cheetory6 MS Painter
- MS Painter
- MS Painter
- Posts: 7403
- Joined: September 21, 2014
There's a difference between trolling and not taking someone seriously who's being a jackass who hasn't actually levied anything of consequence at me.
If you want a constructive dialogue with me, I'm waiting.
But if you want to throw abstract criticism like "he hasn't done shit" when really it's either that you're not understanding how I play the game or you're trying to take advantage of how I play the game in general, then I don't have anything of substance to say to you.-
-
algebra Goon
- Goon
- Goon
- Posts: 441
- Joined: July 24, 2016
- Location: Math Class
-
-
Cheetory6 MS Painter
- MS Painter
- MS Painter
- Posts: 7403
- Joined: September 21, 2014
-
-
MortFeld Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 2761
- Joined: November 21, 2015
- Location: Los Angeles, CA
Scumhunting by association already?In post 109, algebra wrote:I wouldn't be surprised if the partner is in {Clemency, ArcAngel} either.
Looking forward to seeing your actual case on Cheetory.Players I admire: Thor665, Lapsa, RC-
-
MortFeld Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 2761
- Joined: November 21, 2015
- Location: Los Angeles, CA
Cool, I'm convinced. Xnadroj's inconsistency is NAI. It's not why I'm still voting him.In post 114, karldilkington wrote: Mort 76: 27 isn't the only post where Xnadroj follows that line of logic (random primary, motive secondary.) Posts 41, 42, 44, I could go on.
I'm poorly wording myself with the phrase "gambit." My point is that in post 29, by placing a "random" vote which wasn't actually random, he prematurely took us out of RVS and started shifting blame to others very quickly. Now if that is a scum move, that is godawful as it puts you straight in the spotlight, especially if your subsequent reasoning for it isn't strong. For that reason, I don't see him as a scumread.
Hm? Your post was off for buddying and it was off for unreasonable aggressiveness. This isn't like acid/base reactions - they don't magically cancel each other out. I didn't say I was suspicious of you for that post, I just said it was off. That's true even if you're hot and cold on the same person. I can make a post saying "SCREW YOU X PERSON" and in the same post say "X Person, everything you say is so right!" and that post is certainly still off in tone.In post 114, karldilkington wrote: Mort 77: So I am suspicious because I'm both buddying up to Cheetory and I'm unreasonably having a go at Cheetory?!? Taken as a whole I don't really see how the tone of that post was off. You're definitely right that 18 sticks out like a sore scummy thumb though.Players I admire: Thor665, Lapsa, RC-
-
algebra Goon
- Goon
- Goon
- Posts: 441
- Joined: July 24, 2016
- Location: Math Class
-
-
MortFeld Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 2761
- Joined: November 21, 2015
- Location: Los Angeles, CA
I suppose you're right. I guess what I really mean to say is that I don't see the point in discussing potential partners at the time you did. You have not rationally explained your scumread of Cheetory and one of the people you see as a potential partner has barely posted anything and has had no interactions with Cheeto.In post 122, algebra wrote:What makes you think I'm hunting by association? I never said that I was.
Why Clem and Arc?Players I admire: Thor665, Lapsa, RC-
-
algebra Goon
- Goon
- Goon
- Posts: 441
- Joined: July 24, 2016
- Location: Math Class
Copyright © MafiaScum. All rights reserved.
-
-