Mini 1851 : Order of the Stick Mafia - Epilogue

[MagnaofIllusion]

Vote Count 2.12

- as of post 1874

farside22 (2) - Infinity 324, Leonshade
Wisdom (2) - Nachomamma8, farside22
SirCakez (2) - kraska77, Wisdom
Nachomamma8 (1) - SirCakez

Not Voting (3) - PeregrineV, Tammy, Kagami

The Current deadline is on hold until a replacement for farside22 is found. 2 days 3 hours remain after the replacement enters the game.

With 10 alive - 6 are required to lynch.

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Searching for a replacement for farside22

[Infinity 324]

That's a shitty vote count.

[Tammy]

Which boils down to she's familiar with me and my schedule so I'd imagine that she'd understand better why the Monday catchup didn't happen than other people would.

There's still stuff I don't really understand but it's better if you just talk to her about it at this point.

If I were saying he was scum because he posted elsewhere or didn't catch up here, it would be very hypocritical and annoying of me. I don't think those things are alignment indicative in general. They aren't for me, and I've gotten very frustrated when people (including him very recently) have tried to use that against me, especially if they know my schedule. Not only is it not alignment indicative for me, it's not for him and I know that and we've discussed those kinds of tells.

So, if that's what I was saying, it would be annoying. But that's not what I was saying.

I was frustrated that he didn't show up here and that frustration exacerbated my concern about this alignment, but the actual act or absence of catching up is not alignment indicative in and of itself. He can post a fuckton as either alignment and he can lurk as either alignment. He can post in one game and not another as either alignment. I know that; he knows I know that.

Now why I think it's slimy is I think he knows I wasn't saying that. I had already expressed concerns about him. I had also told you earlier that his earlier inactivity and then burst of activity was not necessarily alignment indicative as he could do that as either alignment. (I said his lack of activity was not alignment relevant.) And when Cakez was trying to accuse him of dodging this game and posting a bunch elsewhere, which he's still being hypberbolic about as it wasn't dozens of posts, I defended him from that accusation. I also said that I didn't know if my scum read in part was due to frustration to him not being around.

So with that in mind, I don't see where he gets my post to mean that you didn't catch up therefore you're scum. I can see a scum him latching on to the thing that would be nonalignment indicative to throw me off though.


I'm not sure if that makes sense, but I've got to get ready for work. I'll be back in a little bit probably, later tonight definitely!

[Nachomamma8]

Now why I think it's slimy is I think he knows I wasn't saying that.

I misunderstood it in the moment, am aware of what you are saying right now. I know that you are aware when lurking is alignment indicative and when it isn't, but that doesn't mean that you won't get flashes of paranoia for reasons that ultimately end up being silly. I don't feel like I'm latching onto anything here; I made a comment that I thought it was kind of amusing that we were experiencing a bit of a role reversal from the MTGS game and you're the one who is saying that I'm misrepping and discrediting you, which doesn't make sense when the comment I made wasn't something that anyone here would pick up on because they didn't play that game.

[Nachomamma8]

Magna, could you send an early prod PV's way?

[Nachomamma8]

I didn't realize the deadline was coming as quickly as it is; Leon and Infinity should probably shift quickly and make a decision. Hopefully, Andrius does replace in which should quell all doubts on the spot.

Vote: SirCakez

[Kagami]

Could you flesh out the cakez and PV read?

If they're PoE, then a brief summary of why each other person is likely town would be great.

[Nachomamma8]

I'm hoping that PV can get in thread and do things soon because if he's not scum it's probably Kagami. I don't think that her recent contributions are anywhere close to showing the depth and excitement she shows as town; a majority of her comments this day have been dancing around circles with the Leon/MoI thing and the sum of her reads on me and Farside so far are "I want to hear from Nacho." and "My earlier reasons for townreading Farside was silly.". I think that it's odd that shes not factoring Wisdom's play into the read on him in any noticeable way whatsoever and I think that she's leaning on the Magna quote a lot longer that's logical. I don't like that her reason for townreading PV is the Shadow read switch thing; that's fine as a piece of a read, but I don't understand why she's holding onto it as strongly as she is.

[Nachomamma8]

Could you flesh out the cakez and PV read?

If they're PoE, then a brief summary of why each other person is likely town would be great.

Things that stand out to me about Cakez are his treatment of Farside when she was gaining heat (I don't like that he can't explain why he thought Farside reaction here was similar to duck duck goose) and I don't like his interactions with me. I don't think that he'd be pushing me in this way if he was town.

[Nachomamma8]

PV I don't really have a read on. I liked his opening but that's not overly persuasive at this point. I would like for him to post something or replace out.

[Nachomamma8]

Why I'm townreading everyone else should be fairly obvious; is there a read that hasn't been explained or doesn't explain itself?

[kraska77]

Fwiw: Leon being a modified lynched on town makes a lot of sense. The alternative explanations are: 8-3-1 setup

despite many vanillas

, fake claim for no reason on pro-town 3rd party, or scum killed their own as a gambit.

nacho how do feel about the bolded? i think this is unlikely to come from scum...its one of the few things in kagami's iso that make me think shes likely town

[MagnaofIllusion]

PantherPunt replaces farside22, effective immediately.

[kraska77]

peregrinooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

do something

[Kagami]

Why I'm townreading everyone else should be fairly obvious; is there a read that hasn't been explained or doesn't explain itself?

Sure, how about wisdom.

[Kagami]

And Infinity too.

[Kagami]

And farside.

[Kagami]

And I don't think you believe the sum of my reads on you are "I want to hear from nacho."

[kraska77]

kagami-
if cakes is scum, who do you think their buddy's most likely to be?
you can answer this after nacho responds to u if u want

[Kagami]

I don't think cakes is likely to be scum anymore.

[Infinity 324]

VOTE: cakez

Fine.

This game is kinda hurting my head, so I might just reread everything before the next day phase.

Right now I feel like scum is in {cakez, farside, nacho} but we'll see.

[kraska77]

why not? because of your nacho sus?

[kraska77]

^@kagami

@infinity-
youve done a lot of flip flopping today dude. and it doesnt feel like these tangents and conclusions are urs

[Infinity 324]

Those are valid criticisms tbh

[kraska77]