Mini 1851 : Order of the Stick Mafia - Epilogue

[Leonshade]

Pere joined the Cakez wagon at a point when either Nacho or Cakez could've gotten lynched, unless all three are scum I don't think Pere is. Plus the whole double rolestop.

Inf is town, Tammy is clear through kraska, kraska is a strong townread, Wisdom is probably town, Panther is not Xykon. That only leaves Nacho and Kagami.

[Nachomamma8]

Thog-flavor is interesting, would make sense for the scumteam to be scattered throughout in a weird way

[Wisdom]

good point, after your claim he probably figured you weren't his target

i think his target is kraska or Tammy, I found it weird he correctly guessed about monster/O-Chul before it was claimed

pedit: @nacho

[Tammy]

That doesn't mean he did shit to push it. It looks to me like a lame ass buss but not feeling it. He couldn't vote farside because he'd been arguing for farside as town since day one.

Kraska pushed that lynch through, nacho sunbathed on it.

Yeah, but we are not trying to figure if Kraska is scum, we are trying to figure if Nacho is scum.

Bussing puts him a step closer to losing, not a step closer to winning.

it would be easier to fake a farsdei change of heart then to try to overcome a deficit of losing another scumbuddy.

and if he's scum, did he just try to kill you again?

Nacho is super fond of bussing though.

[PeregrineV]

That doesn't mean he did shit to push it. It looks to me like a lame ass buss but not feeling it. He couldn't vote farside because he'd been arguing for farside as town since day one.

Kraska pushed that lynch through, nacho sunbathed on it.

Yeah, but we are not trying to figure if Kraska is scum, we are trying to figure if Nacho is scum.

Bussing puts him a step closer to losing, not a step closer to winning.

it would be easier to fake a farsdei change of heart then to try to overcome a deficit of losing another scumbuddy.

and if he's scum, did he just try to kill you again?

Nacho is super fond of bussing though.

Bussing as a tool is fine. Bussing when there are other options? Color me skeptical.

[Tammy]

I didn't even know kraska was monster in the darkness.

[Tammy]

That doesn't mean he did shit to push it. It looks to me like a lame ass buss but not feeling it. He couldn't vote farside because he'd been arguing for farside as town since day one.

Kraska pushed that lynch through, nacho sunbathed on it.

Yeah, but we are not trying to figure if Kraska is scum, we are trying to figure if Nacho is scum.

Bussing puts him a step closer to losing, not a step closer to winning.

it would be easier to fake a farsdei change of heart then to try to overcome a deficit of losing another scumbuddy.

and if he's scum, did he just try to kill you again?

Nacho is super fond of bussing though.

Bussing as a tool is fine. Bussing when there are other options? Color me skeptical.

That just colors you someone who hasn't played with nacho that much.

[Leonshade]

I'm surprised that Leon opted to investigate Panther over me, especially considering the push on me yesterday and the paranoia expressed over me and I think that lends a lot more to the "lyncher on town" theory than anything else although I've officially ran out of combinations for it to work with.

Cakez flipping scum made me second-guess myself, he spent all D2 on you so it made me doubt that it was a bus. Besides, you'd already claimed, so I decided to be proactive in the case that you're town. If I flavorcopped you and the result was Vaarsuvius, we would've had no new info, besides confirmation of your claim.

[Wisdom]

My guess has been Monster in the Darkness for Tammy and O-Chul for you.

here, before kraska claimed it

If he is lyncher on one of those flavors it makes sense

[Leonshade]

My guess has been Monster in the Darkness for Tammy and O-Chul for you.

here, before kraska claimed it

If he is lyncher on one of those flavors it makes sense

I'm not, it was just the guess that made the most sense.

[Tammy]

My first guess for Kraska was Lien, but I'm very rusty on the comic and now that I read it it makes more sense.

[Wisdom]

I'm not, it was just the guess that made the most sense.

how did that make the most sense? First of all you had to assume monster was town-aligned which while is plausible there's no way it's the first thing that comes to mind for a town neighbor

[Leonshade]

I'm not, it was just the guess that made the most sense.

how did that make the most sense? First of all you had to assume monster was town-aligned which while is plausible there's no way it's the first thing that comes to mind for a town neighbor

At first I had no idea who they were, but when you said you thought you knew who they were, it got me thinking about who they could possibly be. O-Chul and Monster were the first that came to mind, and I figured you were thinking the same thing.

[Tammy]

Pere - For reference recently nacho and I played as a scum hydra. After losing our partners to a day one lynch and a night one vig shot, on day three he bussed our odd night vig partner when he could have easily lynched someone else.

Nacho gets too much town credit for bussing for him not to because people go oh bus there isn't beneficial. Him sticking a limp wristed vote on cakez also didn't help push cakez to get lynched because he even had a half-assed vote there.

[PeregrineV]

That doesn't mean he did shit to push it. It looks to me like a lame ass buss but not feeling it. He couldn't vote farside because he'd been arguing for farside as town since day one.

Kraska pushed that lynch through, nacho sunbathed on it.

Yeah, but we are not trying to figure if Kraska is scum, we are trying to figure if Nacho is scum.

Bussing puts him a step closer to losing, not a step closer to winning.

it would be easier to fake a farsdei change of heart then to try to overcome a deficit of losing another scumbuddy.

and if he's scum, did he just try to kill you again?

Nacho is super fond of bussing though.

Bussing as a tool is fine. Bussing when there are other options? Color me skeptical.

That just colors you someone who hasn't played with nacho that much.

Much like I don't think scum killed Shaddow, I don't think scum-Nacho busess in this circumstance.

[Tammy]

okay pere, I'm sure you know nacho better than I do

[PeregrineV]

Pere - For reference recently nacho and I played as a scum hydra. After losing our partners to a day one lynch and a night one vig shot, on day three he bussed our odd night vig partner when he could have easily lynched someone else.

Nacho gets too much town credit for bussing for him not to because people go oh bus there isn't beneficial. Him sticking a limp wristed vote on cakez also didn't help push cakez to get lynched because he even had a half-assed vote there.

Iso Cake and look at their back-and-forth. If you want to claim they scum theatered purely to convince me (because no one else seems "fooled"), then go ahead.

[PeregrineV]

okay pere, I'm sure you know nacho better than I do

Not at all. I'm just saying that I find it hard to believe he would play sub-optimally when I'm the only one that will fall for it.

[Wisdom]

i still dont get the nokill though

maybe panther didnt realize tammy is bp?

[Tammy]

Here's my concern, their interaction looked fake. Nacho never once tried to get me on the cakez wagon even though I was scum reading cakez and was talking about my suspicions there, and he never tried to get anyone to get on that wagon. He voted him. That is the only thing he did. Now he and cakez by that point were the talk of the day, and soon after that vote nacho went to L-1. Even at l-1 he didn't try to get cakez lynched, he was very passive about the whole thing. Cakez, likewise wasn't exactly trying to get nacho lynched. None of this makes sense.

[Leonshade]

Panther is the only one with a claimed role, maybe his claim will shed some light on this.

Think scum!Nacho, afraid that I'll flavorcop him and disprove his claim, would've tried to shoot me, hoping that my BP was a bluff?

[Wisdom]

i agree, cakez and nacho did look like buddies, but what about the nokill then?

peregrine, are you sure you're not actually a roleblocker and you misread your role?

[Tammy]

i still dont get the nokill though

maybe panther didnt realize tammy is bp?

I was wondering about this.

I did not claim bp until during the day before panther replaced in. If nacho is town (fucking kill me if this is the case) then their discussion in the mafia chat would have been that kraska was bp since she softed that day one. If he didn't read the game, he wouldn't have known.

But then who was shot night one?

[Tammy]

Panther is the only one with a claimed role, maybe his claim will shed some light on this.

Think scum!Nacho, afraid that I'll flavorcop him and disprove his claim, would've tried to shoot me, hoping that my BP was a bluff?

I thought that they potentially shot you night one to remove the bp to kill you the next night so you couldn't flavor cop anyone. But you lived so.

[Wisdom]

Think scum!Nacho, afraid that I'll flavorcop him and disprove his claim, would've tried to shoot me, hoping that my BP was a bluff?

that could be the case actually

it was all over if you caught him, and you were supposed to flavorcop him after all, so maybe he took the risk