Newbie 1761: Welcome to Mafia (Game Over)

[MortFeld]

JR* and what makes you scumread me and townread mort?

Are you implying that your play this game is at all similar to mine?

Also, answer 293. Now. Cheetory asked you the same question and you ignored him too.

[Equinox]

Vote Count 1.15

JR (2) - XnadrojX, Deimos27
Cheetory6 (1) - algebra
Deimos27 (1) - MortFeld
XnadrojX (1) - Cheetory6

Not Voting (4) - ArcAngel9, PenguinPower, JR, Zaraki_Jaegerjaquez

With 9 votes in play, it will take 5 to lynch.

The deadline is Tuesday, December 13, 2016, at 9:00 PM EST (UTC-5), which is in (expired on 2016-12-13 21:00:00).

Moderator Comments

ArcAngel9 is on V/LA from December 2 to December 8.
Deimos27 is on V/LA for an indefinite period.

Deimos27 has been prodded.

[MortFeld]

Glad that there are now people other than me who might scumhunt.

[MortFeld]

Exhausted tonight, if anyone needs convincing to vote Deimos I'll write up my thoughts early tomorrow morning.

[algebra]

JR* and what makes you scumread me and townread mort?

Are you implying that your play this game is at all similar to mine?

Also, answer 293. Now. Cheetory asked you the same question and you ignored him too.

No?
I'll see if Deimos is town or scum once arcangel catches up

[MortFeld]

JR* and what makes you scumread me and townread mort?

Are you implying that your play this game is at all similar to mine?

Also, answer 293. Now. Cheetory asked you the same question and you ignored him too.

No?
I'll see if Deimos is town or scum once arcangel catches up

Don't like this. First you didn't answer me because you were phoneposting, now it's because Arc hasn't caught up yet.

[MortFeld]

JR* and what makes you scumread me and townread mort?

Where did JR scumread you? Your question isn't even based on true premises.

[JR]

JR* and what makes you scumread me and townread mort?

Your problem is the same problem Clem had. Sure, you have a few posts, but they're easily producible as mafia.

Mort has 150+ posts, and it's not a bunch of fluff. If he's mafia, he's really good.

[JR]

1. algebra came into the game like a bull in a china shop with his declaration that he had everything figured out. Why didn't anyone question him?

I did. I implied that I thought he had no basis for much of what he said and showed that pretty conclusively with his Deimos read. I townread him on the assumption that he wouldn't disappear.

Good, I either missed your response or forgot by the end.

He's contributed very little other than his breakdown of all the other players, excluding himself. I found his posts minimalistic and easy to produce as mafia.

Agree. Had he followed up on his suspicions meaningfully, what I said in 168 would still apply. Given that he's been largely absent and also deliberately ignoring questions, I no longer townread him.

2. First, Mort explained what a strawman was. Then Deimos gives an if/then scenario. After prodding, Mort gives Clem's name as a potential accomplice in that senario. Then Deimos uses this against him. The whole if/then request was a little scummy, but with the strawman attack it read as the scummiest thing I'd seen in the entire thread.

Deimos is scum.

If I had to throw two names out as scum, as algebra requested, it's algebra and Deimos. It's unfortunate Deimos is away when I show up. I don't want to put a vote on an absentee.

I'm anxious to see how Penguin picks up for karl. I think I was getting a bit scumlean on him, but that warrants a closer look and I'm waiting on Penguin to post his thoughts before I do a bunch evidence gathering for and/or against it.

Without giving anyone else the total benefit of the doubt, I'd call the rest townleans, with the exception of Arc, who hasn't been active yet.

[Cheetory6]

I might be the worst person ever, but please replace me.

[PenguinPower]

What I don't like right now is that there are three very inactive slots - thanks for replacing out IC - which makes it hard to find scum because both scum could easily be in those two slots and we're all hunting and TvT'ing it with no net benefit. Given the current game state, I'm quite willing to put all active slots into my town pool because scum would have absolutely no reason to be participatory right now.

JR and Mort: vote algebra
zaraki: answer my questions

VOTE: algebra

[algebra]

Why the naked vote?

[PenguinPower]

It's not naked. You're an inactive slot, and the scummiest one with the posts you have made. Why the misrep?

[PenguinPower]

Btw, in the absence of an IC to say this, we're at less than 5 days remaining. We should start consolidating on a wagon soon so that we have time to react if that person claims a PR.

[algebra]

Now it's not naked. You offered no explanation to the vote until now.

[PenguinPower]

So, you're going to be one I have to spell everything out for and leave nothing for inference? Great to know.

[algebra]

What makes my slot more scummy than another inactive?

[algebra]

Exhausted tonight, if anyone needs convincing to vote Deimos I'll write up my thoughts early tomorrow morning.

I want to hear your case

[PenguinPower]

What makes my slot more scummy than another inactive?

Arc has no posts with content.
Cheetory has at least some posts content, and has replaced out allowing for someone who will actually contribute to join.
You put off providing content (e.g. 292, 294, 374), and continue making one liners.

Thanks for stepping up your one liners.

[MortFeld]

Exhausted tonight, if anyone needs convincing to vote Deimos I'll write up my thoughts early tomorrow morning.

I want to hear your case

You're incredibly annoying. I show you mine, you show me yours? You have no honest reason to avoid a direct question.

I said early today, but I woke up too late. Been aggressively job hunting and I finally got an interview for today.

For a very abbreviated Deimos case:

-In the early game, he was hung up on Zaraki in a pretty non-constructive way. Somehow he thought that the key to Zaraki's guilt was whatever basis Zaraki had for his opinion on RVS. But to anyone with a brain, it was clear that Zaraki's basis was going to either be his own thoughts, or some extremely limited sample size. That is to say - he didn't have a basis, he had an incorrect newb opinion. To think that this could possibly be alignment indicative is not rational thinking from Deimos; therefore, I concluded that his Zaraki push was not town-motivated. It looks like he was setting a trap for Zaraki but was stymied when people started townreading Zaraki. Reminds me a bit of scum!Deimos from 1751, but I'm not metaing him from one game, that's just an afterthought.
-His interactions with me are terrible. Talk about someone who seems like they have something to hide.
-His vote on me was terrible, and he showed that he knew this by quickly unvoting and jumping to Clemency. I'd venture that he didn't require too much convincing that I'm town, though I do wonder what the scum motivation for the vote was. This is what I was trying to piece together by talking to him, but he's disappeared which, while it alone is not AI, doesn't help me scumread him less.

• terrible because, he compared a reads list I made (fark reads lists) many posts back with an association he forced out of me and said "INCONSISTENT! EXPLAIN THIS, SCUM!" without asking me a single specific question and refusing to justify his scum case when I started shooting it down. The last part in addition to the unvote implies that he didn't even think his reasons were good - town who unovted in this position would
  at least
  say something like 'Wow, I thought I had a case but you've shown me I might be wrong.' Instead, Deimos said 'Mort and Clemency are a scumteam, vote Clemency.'

[MortFeld]

JR and Mort: vote algebra

I'm not opposed and I will if we need my vote for majority, but I want to lynch Deimos.

[algebra]

Just because my posts are easy to produce doesn't mean they're scummy. That's like saying just because food is easy to make it means it tastes bad.

[MortFeld]

Just because my posts are easy to produce doesn't mean they're scummy. That's like saying just because food is easy to make it means it tastes bad.

What are you responding to?

[MortFeld]

He didn't even say your posts are definitely scummy, he just said that they're not towny given that you've done nothing otherwise.

Also, answer direct questions for farks sake, it's insane that you think it's okay to be this avoidant if you're town

[PenguinPower]

I want to hear your case

I want to hear yours.