Mini 1851 : Order of the Stick Mafia - Epilogue

[Tammy]

Also, I have reason to believe someone visited me last night.

Whoops sorry.

[Tammy]

At night Kraska was back to thinking wisdom based on roles and setup, which had me thinking about the setup and role interactions. I'll muse about that at a computer.

[Wisdom]

then you agree it was nacho shooting leon?

[Infinity 324]

visit

I picked up in this day two, which indicated that infinity was roled. Night two I expected either infinity or Kraska to die. I can't imagine anyone actually reading and paying attention to the game in full shooting nacho, a claimed vt who was widely scum read over Kraska, who was the most active pusher of cake (yes, wisdom I know you pushed it too but Kraska was passionate about it) or infinity who was obviously roled.

Yeah I don't know what I was thinking when I said that

[Tammy]

I'm trying to eat on my break because I am starving, but I'm not sure where our wires got crossed. I'll do my best to figure it out overnight (if I live until then), and if I don't, we can talk about it after the game. I'm not upset at you, I'm sorry for where I've been annoyed or snippy this game but as I'm sure you can imagine being pushed constantly today hasn't been the most fun or the most exciting way this game could go for me.

Did you do this?

And here's the thing. I've spent a lot of time thinking about past games and how you've interacted with me when you've been town/we've both been town. It's not like this. I don't understand how you could be confused where our wires got crossed because I think I've been very clear about what has been bugging me about your interaction with me.

The only thing I can buy you being confused about is where I started scum reading you. I started getting concerned about you from your reaction to Leon's claim. It was a small thing, something that just didn't feel quite right which is why I asked you to talk about it on day two. I didn't get a chance to talk about it day one. But I didn't like it and that concern started to fester. You weren't here, and while the lack of you is not alignment indicative, the lack of you does not help to quell concerns once they've started. It did not help to see you posting in town games displaying the type of energy that was missing here or that your gog scum game had the same type of energy as here.

I started off the day worried you could be scum but wanting to give you a chance especially if it was silly paranoia. But I also started off the day thinking it could be between wisdom and cakez. My wisdom suspicion started to alleviate a little and quite frankly felt overwhelming, so I went elsewhere. Started doubting cakez as scum a little which pit more of my focus on farside, but her frustration looked real, which brought me back to cakez and in the midst of all that there was nothing from you. Then all you did was list something that lacked any sort of energy and I resigned myself to believe something I'd been hoping against, that you were just scum.

I don't think you were just snippy with me because you'd been pushed all day. While I vaguely suspected you I had argued to get you off of l-1 early and had defended you against some of wisdoms points. I asserted you were scum without any reasoning, which considering I often have some paranoid moment in the game where I believe you are scum, it's not unlikely, but I think you know if you are town I'm going to be the one to see it.

Your interaction with me reminds me so much of tales of you where you just basically troll interacted with me instead of interact with anything of substance. Your description of how we normally interact makes no sense unless I've been smoking crack for a long time. We're more collaborative than anything else. I do come to you with reads sometimes, yes, but I also throw out my thoughts, which are not throwaway I don't think, and you usually comment especially when I'm showing paranoia ot going off the deep end on something I shouldn't. We do read each other based on how we interact with each other, and there are points we've overlooked in the past that were obvious after. You don't just read me based on what I bring to you I'm uncomfortable with, and you already had me as town and there should be no doubt about that one anyway.

Some of your interaction with me has felt like part troll/part gaslight. I just don't understand how this could be your interaction with me as town. I'm just completely flabbergasted if this is your town game.

I offer you a challenge though. I have a gun now, and if we don't lynch you and the game doesn't end with that lynch, give me a reason not to shoot you.

[Tammy]

then you agree it was nacho shooting leon?

I have no idea. Kraska did suggest the possibility of if I was shot night one them shooting me again thinking the restriction I mentioned was one-shot, but I don't really but that either.

I just don't know.

[Tammy]

Does anybody really think it's possible we have four group scum?

(I don't by the way but I'm trying to make sense of stuff plan for possibilities.)

[Wisdom]

Dont you think nacho would take the gamble? He would lose if leon flavorcopped him as planned

pedit: no

[Infinity 324]

It's...possible there's 4 group scum, but that's like a 5% chance even with this much power.

I wonder if we're overthinking this nokill N2 thing and someone just forgot to make a kill. That happens sometimes, though it would say something about who it was.

[Wisdom]

the only one who i could see forgetting would be peregrine, and then i stilk doubt it

[Infinity 324]

Maybe nacho forgot

[Wisdom]

you find him forgetting to kill more likely than trying to save himself by killing leon..?

[PeregrineV]

Last night I rolestopped infinity.

[Infinity 324]

you find him forgetting to kill more likely than trying to save himself by killing leon..?

Maybe. Maybe he claimed his real flavor because of leon and is a flavor godfather. Maybe he was hoping leon would target someone else. I think you're underestimating the likelihood of scum just forgetting to make the kill, if they're demotivated I see it as a reasonable possibility.

[Infinity 324]

Maybe he claimed his real flavor because of leon and is a flavor godfather.

Uh, ignore the first part of the sentence.

[Wisdom]

i think youre derping hard

[Wisdom]

and anyway as long as we agree its nacho its all good

[Infinity 324]

We'll see what happens at endgame

[Tammy]

Last night I rolestopped infinity.

If it was working with nacho according to your view why change it?

[Tammy]

Also have a bit of a problem with that being more than 2-shot by the way.

[Infinity 324]

And on that note, I'm silly for not claiming this before.

But I'm actually 4-shot. Last night I got town on kagami cause I was afraid pere would rs nacho again...yeah I played this role like shit.

Anyway pere can rolestop me tonight and I'll investigate nacho. Even if we're sure nacho is scum it doesn't hurt to get another shot. So we can lynch wisdom or someone today

[Wisdom]

fine with me but its just nacho

[Wisdom]

lets get rid of leon then

VOTE: leon

[Tammy]

Oh okay.

that settle the other possible thought i had that pere was a role blocker, even thought we had him double check and everything.

you played it fine though. You couldn't have known that pere was going to rs nacho two nights in a row, decide he saved him and then...not.

[Tammy]

although him rolestopping you while he's not two-shot makes sense.