In post 357, Realeo wrote:Can I have your argumentation of me mafia beside RVS?
So you acting like I didn't rubs me the wrong way. If you weren't satisfied by my response, that's one thing. But you spoke as if I ignored you completely which just isn't the case.In post 389, Kmd4390 wrote:1) And that's why it makes sense for town to actively discuss it in a game where it makes sense to.In post 357, Realeo wrote:On your point about "BK's above thought"In post 314, Kmd4390 wrote:Not a fan of Realeo trying to shut down BK's above thought. If there was a way to use the setup, we absolutely should discuss it. It only hurts town not to. He also feels calculated in his so called RVS exit and his reaction to Transcend's vote was pretty defensive. His concerns with notmafia feel fake too. An RVS wagon getting to L-3 is nothing new and notmafia being the one to put it there isn't surprising. Transcend's post 55 is a good point too. I'd probably vote realeo if I was here for all of this.
1] I am skeptical of setup speccing because I have won a scum game by manipulating setup speccing. The Purge for reference.
2] I have lost a town game because town (imo) is too invested in setup speccing. Mislead 2 is for reference.
3]If there is a breaking strategy, I expect a) I would know it or b) Open is a moderated forum. Why would Llama give a broken setup? I check the game history and it has been replayed. If the game is broken, I expect it would be fixed (see Duck! Duck! Goose! on how they fixed the setup by adding 1 extra PGO). In Mislead 2 + The Purge, town invested too much in setup speccing and forget the scumhunting part.Fire and Ice is not a new setup.
TL:DR; I see no way how setup speccing will be helping the town. Even worse, setup speccing is usually NAI because the casual rule of "effort is NAI"
Other has been discussed.
Let us say that there are a lot of things that trigger me in RVS. Can I have your argumentation of me mafia beside RVS?
2) Right. You guys probably spent too little time on scum hunting. There's a necessary balance. (Reading your point 3 now, it sounds like that's exactly what happened)
3) I'm not disputing this. Read my post again if you think otherwise.
And for the bottom part, sure, it's been discussed. Doesn't mean I'm satisfied. And I don't consider any of that RVS and am frankly shocked that you are shrugging it off as that. I mean yeah, it's your reaction to RVS stuff, but that doesn't make it RVS itself. Your play since that hasn't done anything to change my mind.
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BK's point on nn, when combined with my own concerns, is enough that I can definitely sheep that if needed, especially if transcend and gamma are the only other choices.
Josh, as someone who works 2 or 3 consecutive 16 hour days without internet access at work (Thank God I've been on vacation since Thanksgiving), I get having to work and sleep. But while you're back, some thoughts would be cool.
Nn, there are two ways to look at realeo not lazily voting you. Well, actually three with this setup. There's your version. There's him being scum who doesn't want to look bad by being on your wagon. Or with the two teams, he could be scum legitimately trying to sort you. I wouldn't write him off just for that.
I don't like it when people keep ignoring my questions. It makes me feel like they're unable to answer.In post 413, Transcend wrote:Bad vote
it looks like it because you still haven't answered the question.In post 418, Joshz wrote:do u think i have u on ignore or something? lolIn post 412, Rory wrote:so you are reading my posts but you have ignored my question twice.In post 402, Joshz wrote:i disagree. i dont think experience correlates with how people play as scum, be it aggressive or lurker or what have you.In post 397, Rory wrote:I don't know. He's trying to be helpful and he's not afraid to go into an argument. I think inexperienced scum would have backed off when he didn't.
VOTE: Joshz
Great argument.In post 424, BK201 wrote:Rory ISO looks bad.
I almost cried when I read this.In post 442, BK201 wrote:NN-Rory Team
you didn't naked vote me. You gave an explanation that did not make sense. I asked you about it and you didn't answer.In post 450, Joshz wrote:rory defended you without overcommitting in a way thatd automatically pair you, granted in a weird way that scum might not attempt as culted said. see 395 397 and 398. he then votes a person pushing your lynch. hes done very little itg and a very large portion of his content is re: me naked voting him, re: you being townie, and filler.
note: i dont think rory is necessarily your scum partner or necessarily scum. i am just giving an argument that id see for it and am curios if this is what people see or what people agree with. his recent few posts are quite bad though.
There is no explanation here; you didn't townread me and therefore weren't even discussed in the postIn post 291, Rory wrote:Where does this vote come from? I wasn't even townreading you, so the point you made was obviously not against me.In post 270, Joshz wrote:why am i being townread i havent done shit itg lmao
this isnt meant to get townread even more, i literally do not get it. i have no confident reads rn so i left my vote on bk but its not strong, and i havent contributed much. this compared to when i get scum read after being active >_>
srsly ppl have no right to keep townreading me!
unvote and VOTE: rory
Already did.In post 562, nn30 wrote:Kmd want to tell the class why youre voting me?
Not a fan.In post 551, Kmd4390 wrote:Unvote, Vote nn30
Realeo lynch isn't happening and I'm satisfied with nn as the lynch.
Confused is my MO! (Joking, of course).In post 565, SnarkySnowman wrote:I'm gonna comment a little more in depth on 523 in a bit but I'm a little conflicted, because most of the reads look town driven but a few of them have me a little confused / suspicious. When I'm at a PC ~
Excellent!In post 556, Kmd4390 wrote:Also, I responded to you here:In post 389, Kmd4390 wrote:1) And that's why it makes sense for town to actively discuss it in a game where it makes sense to.In post 357, Realeo wrote:On your point about "BK's above thought"In post 314, Kmd4390 wrote:Not a fan of Realeo trying to shut down BK's above thought. If there was a way to use the setup, we absolutely should discuss it. It only hurts town not to. He also feels calculated in his so called RVS exit and his reaction to Transcend's vote was pretty defensive. His concerns with notmafia feel fake too. An RVS wagon getting to L-3 is nothing new and notmafia being the one to put it there isn't surprising. Transcend's post 55 is a good point too. I'd probably vote realeo if I was here for all of this.
1] I am skeptical of setup speccing because I have won a scum game by manipulating setup speccing. The Purge for reference.
2] I have lost a town game because town (imo) is too invested in setup speccing. Mislead 2 is for reference.
3]If there is a breaking strategy, I expect a) I would know it or b) Open is a moderated forum. Why would Llama give a broken setup? I check the game history and it has been replayed. If the game is broken, I expect it would be fixed (see Duck! Duck! Goose! on how they fixed the setup by adding 1 extra PGO). In Mislead 2 + The Purge, town invested too much in setup speccing and forget the scumhunting part.Fire and Ice is not a new setup.
TL:DR; I see no way how setup speccing will be helping the town. Even worse, setup speccing is usually NAI because the casual rule of "effort is NAI"
Other has been discussed.
Let us say that there are a lot of things that trigger me in RVS. Can I have your argumentation of me mafia beside RVS?
2) Right. You guys probably spent too little time on scum hunting. There's a necessary balance. (Reading your point 3 now, it sounds like that's exactly what happened)
3) I'm not disputing this. Read my post again if you think otherwise.
And for the bottom part, sure, it's been discussed. Doesn't mean I'm satisfied. And I don't consider any of that RVS and am frankly shocked that you are shrugging it off as that. I mean yeah, it's your reaction to RVS stuff, but that doesn't make it RVS itself. Your play since that hasn't done anything to change my mind.
I'll help.In post 568, Aristophanes wrote:So, I guess U should start with a reading of D20?
What's making him seem scummy to you all?
Did you even go back and see why I'm scumreading you? Also, you do realize town needs to compromise more than scum does to avoid a no lynch, right?In post 566, nn30 wrote:Not a fan.In post 551, Kmd4390 wrote:Unvote, Vote nn30
Realeo lynch isn't happening and I'm satisfied with nn as the lynch.
Feels like ScumCompromistLynch.jpg
Not sure what do with my previous town read of you now.