I don't like the unneccessary defense of MafiaSSK.xtoxm wrote:He said they instead of he because of uncertainty of my sex, "they" refers to either.
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Ho1den, I'm not sure what you're getting at here. From what I've seen so far, MafiaSSK placed a third vote on Xtoxm, Ythill brought up an issue with MafiaSSK's grammar, and Xtoxm mentioned that he probably said "they" instead of "he" because MafiaSSK was unsure of Xtoxm's gender. MafiaSSK actually placed a vote on Xtoxm; I wouldn't consider Xtoxm's response a "defense" especially since I'd find it hard to believe that Xtoxm would defend someone who just placed a third vote on him. And since you're using this as a means of stepping away from the random phase, it seems like a crucial point. Could you please clarify?Ho1den wrote:I don't like the unneccessary defense of MafiaSSK.xtoxm wrote:He said they instead of he because of uncertainty of my sex, "they" refers to either.
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Ythill: Just a quick note for you since you're new. IMO, I think a pressure vote loses its ability to pressure someone when you indicate from the beginning the purpose of the vote. It would be like me pointing a gun in your face telling you "Give me the money! And no I'm not gonna shoot you but give me the money anyway!". Just point the gun in the person's face and wait for the response... the effect is lost when you let the person know you're not gonna shoot them.Ythill wrote: I believe pressure is justified here.
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@ Mafia: This is a pressure vote, putting you at L-3. Give a satisfactory answer to Apyadg’s question and I’ll unvote immediately.
Didn't I make that clear in the rest of the post you quoted? Mafia missed two obvious details, but claims to have discerned your scumminess from a single benign post. It’s acceptable that he didn’t see the symbol and that he misread the vote count, but it doesn’t make sense for someone who commonly makes such mistakes to have supernatural scum-reading capabilities. I want to know why heXtoxm wrote:What are you getting at with this point?Ythill wrote:Xtomx’s gender is clearly marked under his avatar.
On the bright side, we've got the game going! I don't think it's a particularly good idea to lynch him based on this; he'd have to be the single worst scum player in the entire world - But his play, whether scum or town, has been awful, he's already admitted to lying to the town, and bandwagon jumping, for no reason at all, it doesn't bode well for him really.Incognito wrote:With regard to MafiaSSK's actions and vote, I think a bit too much weight is being placed on the random voting phase.
Perhaps, the problem is that he gave the impression that it wasn't a "random vote".
Maybe, but the rest of the reasons were on the grounds of avatars, usernames, and so on, his seems to stand out.The point is if a player chooses to participate in the random voting phase it's usually common practice to provide an explanation along with the random vote and MafiaSSK did just that.
Quite frankly, I'm more suspicious of the people who have chosen to provide this MafiaSSK wagon with some momentum when it's still ridiculously early in the game.
Why would I drop an argument you are openly questioning as weak? Rather than pollute the thread trying to explain it, though, I’ll just ask: did anyone else understand how Mafia’s apparent lack of perception was relevant?Xtoxm wrote:I am not jumping to his defense. I am questiong a weak argument... So drop the gender thing.
QFT. But nowIncognito wrote:With regard to MafiaSSK's actions and vote, I think a bit too much weight is being placed on the random voting phase.