Newbie 1761: Welcome to Mafia (Game Over)

[Equinox]

Vote Count 2.04

algebra (1) - SensFan
PenguinPower (1) - algebra

Not Voting (5) - Deimos27, Hellfire Missile, Nachomamma8, PenguinPower, Zaraki_Jaegerjaquez

With 7 votes in play, it will take 4 to lynch.

The deadline is Friday, December 30, 2016, at 3:00 PM EST (UTC-5), which is in (expired on 2016-12-30 15:00:00).

[algebra]

Sens what are you smoking lol we're not in RVS go vote penguin

[PenguinPower]

I think you may have the weakest, redundancy push for a mislynch in any game I've played so far. Easy to be scum in an inactive, right?

[algebra]

What makes my case weak?

[algebra]

In addition to my PoE, PP cares more about defending himself and staying alive than helping town.

[Hellfire Missile]

Wait a second. Is Jordan XnadrojX

[Hellfire Missile]

Intent to hammer

This is going to be a mislynch

Voted even though he knew it was going to be a mislynch

has been basically town reading Xnadroj the entire game

why, then, did you vote for the guy you were like 100% sure was town

If the vote didnt go through, it would've just been a no-lynch day, which would be okay (i guess)

(am scum reading you, may revise as i go through other people, keep in mind this is like my second-thirdish read on the entire site kk)

[Hellfire Missile]

will come back later to read some more

[Nachomamma8]

1. Super lurking behavior.
2. Exactly. He claimed a PR, but didn't state what it was. If he had hard claimed, he risked being CC'd by someone. He softclaimed, hoping to prevent the lynch, and I'm guessing we didn't press given the time constraints in place. Then, the Cop flips, and he can claim Doc. Since we know there is a cop, we have to be in 2 or B. Scum know which, meaning that if we are in 2, he can safely claim Doc with no CC. The fact that he was a claimed PR and was not killed is extremely suspect.

Well, it's not

extremely

suspect. If scum has a roleblocker, they can safely roleblock him every night and have nothing to fear from his role, meaning that scum who is unwilling to let go of algebra as a mislynch target could conceivably leave him alive without any real drawbacks as long as that roleblocker lives.

It's extremely suspect given the combination of the soft claim and lack of nk. He got out of a lynch without having to risk a CC. If he is the Doc, scum has to take care of him at some point to win. Don't want to take conftown to LyLo.

If he was town, he should have hardclaimed to avoid this scenario as scum would have likely targeted him soft or hard claim as he claimed a PR - one that he indicated was really strong.

How would algebra hardclaiming avoid the situation that we're in now?

[Nachomamma8]

Nacho want to lynch PP

Why not HM?

[Nachomamma8]

Nacho: Are you scum?
algebra: Who did you protect N1 (note: I'm rusty. If there's a good game reason he shouldn't say this, someone let me know).
Deimos27: Why do you think I wasn't killed?
Hellfire Missile: Why were you interested in your predecessor's reads before you made your own conclusion?
Zaraki_Jaegerjaquez: Why do you call Deimos the scummiest person from D1 if your only vote on him (that lasted about 8 hours) was because you didn't agree with RVS?
PP: Would you still have hammered had there been a cop claim immediately before your vote?

No.

[Nachomamma8]

PP, why not answer Sens's question?

[Nachomamma8]

No Lynching isn't better than mislynching a townie Day 1; mislynching yields information and has a chance at hitting scum while no lynching has none of the same benefits but keeps all the penalties.

[Hellfire Missile]

No Lynching isn't better than mislynching a townie Day 1; mislynching yields information and has a chance at hitting scum while no lynching has none of the same benefits but keeps all the penalties.

I was actually thinking about a wikia article as i wrote that

that probably influenced me in a major way
Although short on time, i still think you guys should have given XnadrojX more time to claim.

[Hellfire Missile]

Nacho want to lynch PP

Why not HM?

Why HM?

(am expecting a post about me being anti-town/something related)

[PenguinPower]

PP, why not answer Sens's question?

Because it's a weak question, and the answer serves no purpose. In fact, all of those questions are weak, which would be scummy if not for the slot's prior participation.

[PenguinPower]

How would algebra hardclaiming avoid the situation that we're in now?

Because it would have made him take a hard stance prior to the Cop flip. If he claimed Doc, and then there was a Cop flip and no CC the following day...confirmed Doc. As it stands now, he could easily be scum gambiting to prevent a lynch D1, and then with the Cop flip and knowledge of the setup, making the safe hard claim.

[PenguinPower]

What makes my case weak?

Because your case is:

PP quickhammered the Cop
PP is defending himself by attacking algebra
PP is defending himself

That's weak because:

- No one knew he was the cop, and I didn't believe we had time to switch to another wagon before end of day. I took a risk, yes, and it went poorly, but not knowing what setup we were in, I didn't think it would hit a PR.
- This is a complete misrep as I've said before. I was attacking you D1 - this is a continuation.
- Um...yeah? So? Town should want to prevent a mislynch and hit actual scum. Sorry for trying to play to my wincon.

Try to do more than post weak ass one liners.

[Hellfire Missile]

How would algebra hardclaiming avoid the situation that we're in now?

Because it would have made him take a hard stance prior to the Cop flip. If he claimed Doc, and then there was a Cop flip and no CC the following day...confirmed Doc. As it stands now, he could easily be scum gambiting to prevent a lynch D1, and then with the Cop flip and knowledge of the setup, making the safe hard claim.

Exactly. I'm not 100% sure he's actually doc, but with no invesgitative roles, we'll have to take him on his word unless someone else claims doc.


Or he could just be lying and this is setup 2

[Hellfire Missile]

	A	B	C
1	town jailer	town vanilla	mafia goon
2	mafia roleblocker	town cop	town doctor
3	town 1-shot bulletproof	mafia goon	town tracker

I mean we could be in B? Layout is different, thought it was standardized.

[Hellfire Missile]

Either a TV, Cop, MG, or a MR, Cop, TD

And we don't have confirmation.

[algebra]

I softclaimed PR, because I knew there was a possibility of a roleblocker (now confirmed), and scum might think I'm BP so I wouldn't be NKed.

HM seems ok, I'll reread him

Nacho PP is avoiding questions, and hasn't done anything town yet, let's lynch him

[PenguinPower]

I softclaimed PR, because I knew there was a possibility of a roleblocker (now confirmed), and scum might think I'm BP so I wouldn't be NKed.

Bullcrap. If there was a RB in that instance, scum would know you were a PR with a 75% of not being the BP. They would have have most likely taken the risk and NK'd you so they would get one of the JK/Doc/Cop off'd.

You did it because you were scared scum and wanted an easy way out of a lynch. I'm surprised no one tried to get you the hard claim, and I would have had I not been inactive. Thanks for more than one line this time. GJ.

Also, what questions am I avoiding?

[Deimos27]

Nachomamma is town. Because he's a very experienced player, I think the nk would've gone on a townread if he were scum.
Of course algebra didn't fullclaim d1 as doc that would be insane.

[Hellfire Missile]

Nachomamma is town. Because he's a very experienced player, I think the nk would've gone on a townread if he were scum.
Of course algebra didn't fullclaim d1 as doc that would be insane.

but what if he's doing this to trick us

dun dun dun WIFOM

I doubt you should trust the IC, as a conf town because he's the IC, not saying that anyone here is. people tend to gravitate towards the IC because, ya know, he's there, ready to help. Doesn't mean he's town though, he needs to juggle both helping people, appearing town (if scum), and playing towards his win goal.