Undertale Mafia: Friends & Corpses [GAME OVER]

[MathBlade]

Yeah no. That would cause us to be in an untenable position to win just for doing the right thing and lynching Maxous. If that was the case there is a scenario where Town instantly loses. No.

[MathBlade]

Alright, here's what I think.

Maxous was choosing someone each night to future-cult upon his death. The cult team can no longer grow and was only created upon his death. Therefore they're essentially a survivor faction now.
Whether they gained a faction nightkill is debatable. Whether they can win with town is debatable.

This could also be the case. That way whoever Maxous "secretly" submitted for as a recruit to his future faction would not have known they were chosen before he was lynched. They also could be lynched/NK'd and flip TOWN as their alignment had not yet changed.

I disagree with the last line tough. Our win-con is explicit about eliminating all non-Town players. It also defies the purpose of there being a new faction to begin with. The new faction is a stand alone faction and cannot win with either Town or Scum. They need to gain the majority to control the vote-count, and most probably do NOT have a kill of their own either.

No. just no. That theory is ridiculous. Otherwise Cult could win if Maxous recruited every night and somehow through divine fairies we would have to figure out to lynch him before half the player base or he just claims not Town and instantly wins. That is insane.

[MathBlade]

If Maxous was a cult recruiter then the people he recruited would have to be told and change alignments period. Otherwise we would have to all magically find one player to lynch before the halfway mark and if we lynched him right at it we lose and Maxous would pick all the winners of the game. That is insane.

[Almost50]

You're included in that. You know this is my town game.

Nahdia is voting you for precisely your last line that I had commented on in my previous post. It was the same reason why we also lynched Maxous to begin with (talking about me and Nahdia). He claimed 3P that can win with Town, which outright contradicts the stated wincon in the Town Role PMs. You migh want to check yoursto verify how it's worded.

The reason I'm not joining Nahdia on your wagon is bc you've just replaced in, and I know for a fact you might have skimmed your Role PM like I usually do when I replace into a Town slot. I "assume" the win-con is to eliminate all scum.. all anti-town.. but only when I need to do I refer to my Role PM again and read word for word.

[JaeReed]

I don't tend to stress over the wording of my role PM too much. I checked with Skull there wasn't a hidden win condition like "no lynch to x day and town wins" because Snarky had that as a part of Dunnstral's role (and he was Frisk) in her game so I thought there was a possibility of a hidden win con with my role or the game mechanics themselves with it being bastard. That's about it tho. Got confirmation I can trust my role PM's win con and assumed it was the same kill the scum type thing.

Also, there's a sample role PM on the first page. The win con is worded exactly the same as mine. Nahdia could have just pointed out the flaw in the theory there instead of reacting the way they did, knowing that I'm too lazy to read much after replacing in. tl;dr I think Nahdia's better than that and I kind of think they're faking the apathy but they're also one of the few people making logical sense this game with some things so idunno. I might just suck at reading them, but I feel like they should be able to read me by now.

[Skullduggery]

Creeps20 has been prodded.

[Skullduggery]

Day 6, Vote Count #17

Current Vote Count:

(1)

SirCakez -- Not Chara

(0)

Giovanni il Pellegrino

(1)

MathBlade -- BigYoshiFan

(1)

PeregrineV -- Nahdia

(1)

Nahdia -- Almost50

(0)

Accountant

(0)

Not Chara

(0)

Ankamius

(2)

BigYoshiFan -- Creeps20, Accountant

(0)

Narna

(2)

Almost50 -- SirCakez, Narna

(0)

JaeReed

(0)

Creeps20

Not Voting:

PeregrineV, Ankamius, JaeReed, Giovanni il Pellegrino, MathBlade

With 13 votes available, it takes 7 votes to hammer.

Day 6 Will End on Monday, December 26th, at 9 p.m. Eastern Time
Countdown: (expired on 2016-12-26 21:00:00)

[JaeReed]

That's kind of a pain tbh. That means there's a possibility of serial killer + cult leader and no scum team. Maxous being cult leader with the cult created after his death. I was hoping we could just win with cult and lynch remaining scum.

That sounds kind of too swingy though with my theory of basically delayed recruits. We could have lynched Max D1 and had no cult and 1 serial killer to hunt down with an FBI tool existing as an item.

[MathBlade]

That's kind of a pain tbh. That means there's a possibility of serial killer + cult leader and no scum team. Maxous being cult leader with the cult created after his death. I was hoping we could just win with cult and lynch remaining scum.

That sounds kind of too swingy though with my theory of basically delayed recruits. We could have lynched Max D1 and had no cult and 1 serial killer to hunt down with an FBI tool existing as an item.

....No elated recruit of cult like that or as I said before Town plays the entire game to find one person to lynch before half way mark off literally nothing. No. just no.

[JaeReed]

Yes I'm taking that into account as well, Math.

My head isn't working well right now. I was just replying to A50 there because it was the last thing I read.

[Almost50]

If Maxous was a cult recruiter then the people he recruited would have to be told and change alignments period. Otherwise we would have to all magically find one player to lynch before the halfway mark and if we lynched him right at it we lose and Maxous would pick all the winners of the game. That is insane.

I'm walking on a thin lying here and seriously considering lynching on policy.. MY policy, that is. You say no to everything when you don't even understand.

For all we know, Maxous could have recruited the lynch of D2 or the NK of N2 on N1. The smae could have been the case for N2 & N3, so his faction could very well be just the one person he recruited on N4 because he himself got recruited on D5.

OR.. it could be that he recruited 4 people already, but their alignments changed ONLY after he got lynched.

OR.. it could be that he was blocked on any given night.

OR it coud be that he could only recruit Town to begin with, so maybe he targeted 2 Town and 2 Scum and his faction is of only 2 people today.

Or...

The possibilities are various, and they all make sense in a Skullduggery modded game that is also explicitly a bastard game.

You can say no all you want. You can be as stubborn as ever. It won't make me listen to your sick logic. It won't even get me to sympathize with you. In fact, the TR I had on you is wearing out, and I don't mind voting you today. If you flip Scum or Maxous Faction, that would be great. If you flip Town it would also be great because you're making too much noise and hindering any attempt to game-solve by just about anyone.

The noise you are making makes everybody look Town compared to you. Your debates are senseless to the point I automatically side by anyone who opposes you, so may when you're lynched I wil be able to see through all the smoke you're generously producing in the thread right now.

From now on, anything you say I will disregard (or shout hysterically: No, just no.). I officially refuse to work with you on any level. I will not try to explain anything to you (whether it be my own thoughts or others posts). I will not even read your posts to try and figure out how you came to X or Y.

O, and inb4 you say anything more: "NO, just NO. That is insane." (That's my preemptive response to your next post, and the one after, and the one after).

Live happy.

[MathBlade]

You mean I am destroying obv bullshit fine.

It is like the Supreme Court on pornography. I can't definite it but I know what it is when I see it. And I know what it isn't when I see it.if someone proposed this had 314 factions that would clearly not be right.

You wanna seriously argue there are? I am shutting down what I see to be illogical play. Nahdia has done the same to me. Now why you pick on me when Nahdia is starting to realize what I am saying is beyond me.

[MathBlade]

I am going to D&D Laters.

[Almost50]

UNVOTE:

I can't decide on Nahdia either. I'd rather lynch any of the 4 people currently voting Yoshi or myself, tbh.

[Accountant]

can we ban stupid setup spec and just lynch scumbutts

[BigYoshiFan]

If Maxous was a cult recruiter then the people he recruited would have to be told and change alignments period. Otherwise we would have to all magically find one player to lynch before the halfway mark and if we lynched him right at it we lose and Maxous would pick all the winners of the game. That is insane.

I agree with this.
On a completely unrelated note however, I also agree that setup speculation won't be very helpful.

[SirCakez]

Catch up tomorrow afternoon, sorry

[Narna]

So we're lynching someone from the hood right?

[MathBlade]

So we're lynching someone from the hood right?

Accountant is town. I'm town. Ank is weird I waffle on him. Pine I have a check on tonight so would rather not lynch him. So no we are not lynching someone from the hood.

[Narna]

When were you given the neapolitan?

[PeregrineV]

Peregrine, do you have something specific that made you ask about my claim?
i've said in-thread that i have an investigation, i think. nothing beyond that.

Yes. You softed night action, but have no results from 5 investigative nights. Absolutely NOTHING added, much like Mathblade.

But, assuming you've made 5 poor choices (it happens), I have concluded you share a flavor commonality with Almost50.

I haven't determined if it is alignment indicative, but it is another piece of the puzzle.

So, would like a PM name, even if you don't give your actual role. (once again, thats another discussion)

[MathBlade]

When were you given the neapolitan?

Last night. Claimed it at start of day.

[MathBlade]

Peregrine, do you have something specific that made you ask about my claim?
i've said in-thread that i have an investigation, i think. nothing beyond that.

Yes. You softed night action, but have no results from 5 investigative nights. Absolutely NOTHING added, much like Mathblade.

But, assuming you've made 5 poor choices (it happens), I have concluded you share a flavor commonality with Almost50.

I haven't determined if it is alignment indicative, but it is another piece of the puzzle.

So, would like a PM name, even if you don't give your actual role. (once again, thats another discussion)

I am confused. Why are you saying I added nothing when I caught Maxous? That is a hell of a lot of adding things and you called my posts helpful. Explain. And I agree Not Chara is scummy as I have been saying but connecting us is not gonna fly unless you have pigs.

[Narna]

When were you given the neapolitan?

Last night. Claimed it at start of day.

Was it from Cakez?

[MathBlade]

When were you given the neapolitan?

Last night. Claimed it at start of day.

Was it from Cakez?

.....If I thought it was from Cakez I wouldn't answer that question as it would call attention to Cakez being a suspected power role. If I didn't think it was from Cakez then I wouldn't want to narrow the scope for other people.