Mini Normal 1861: Musical Mafia (TOWN WIN)

[Secret Agent Jin]

Guys, i am an important part of the town. I am a vanilla townie, i habe the power to votr someone to get lynched.

[Secret Agent Jin]

Wow, i cant believe i didnt catch those typos.

[Kairal]

Poor Jin. Anyway I haven't been scum reading him really. On the other hand I guess I haven't been entirely town reading him.

Thinking about it though this has all been a bit too easy and a bit too fast. I still haven't seen a very strong case on him. I think there's scum on this wagon.

[Aj The Epic]

I mean, I wouldn't say it's fast so much as there hasn't been a lot of interaction existing today. If you're worried about speed (i've been told this is NAI but I'm not a huge believer of it), the obvious question is IaI who scumreads Dier and is second on the wagon where he could've pushed Dier, Flubber/massive with blind votes. Massive might just be doing it to save himself tho.

[Kairal]

Yes I just read IamI's ISO since the Dier stuff seems weird.
A possibility is that he sees a town bloc forming and wants to try and tear it apart.
I don't really get a scum vibe from his day 1 posts though. His two top scum reads were both town... but that's true of almost everyone.
Looking back both IamI and Flubber have a pretty long history of FoS on Jin. Doesn't mean they aren't scum but they aren't just opportunistically jumping on this wagon at least.

[Kairal]

massive was also voting him yesterday. As usual he doesn't really provide reasons just to annoy me. Again though it isn't just opportunism.

[Kairal]

culted likewise has been on Jin from very early. Grey's vote is the only one that looks opportunistic. However he's obviously town. In short everyone on this wagon is either confirmed town or has been pushing this for a while.

[Kairal]

Ok I'm gonna give you guys the benefit of the doubt and see if you are onto something. Reading through those ISO's has made me more suspicious of Jin anyway

VOTE: SecretAgentJin

[Kairal]

If he is scum I think Mini must be a partner. If he isn't then maybe Io was onto something with culted?

[Aj The Epic]

Io's entire scum team was through me. So no.

I don't really get the MDS scum tied to Jin scum, is this based off a belief that MDS wouldn't really give a hard read on Jin?

[mhsmith0]

Votecount 2.02

I Am Innocent (1)

ShadowStep ,

Secret Agent Jin (6)

culted , I Am Innocent , Flubbernugget , massive , -Grey- , Kairal LYNCH!

massive (1)

Aj The Epic ,

Not Voting (3)

Dierfire , MiniDeathStar , Secret Agent Jin ,

With 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch!

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[mhsmith0]

Secret Agent Jin was lynched! He was

Spoiler:

alive, and is now dead (gamma didn't tell me anyone's alignment, so I don't know his flip)

Night has fallen, please stop posting in thread (I don't have mod access to lock the thread). Please PM gamma emerald your night actions, if any. Gamma will announce the night two deadline after he returns.

[Gamma Emerald]

Many thanks to mhsmith0 for his help.
Flavor and coming soon.
Secret Agent Jin was a

Vanilla Townie

Deadline is (expired on 2016-12-28 14:30:00)

[Gamma Emerald]

Despite the events of last night, the fans decided to take another break. The conspirators used this opportunity to take out another vocal fan, this time -Grey-.
-Grey- has been killed! He was a

Town Jailkeeper

[Gamma Emerald]

Vote Count 3.00

0 - Dierfire:
0 - MiniDeathStar:
0 - Kairal:
0 - Flubbernugget:
0 - I Am Innocent:
0 - Shadow_Step:
0 - culted:
0 - massive:
0 - Aj The Epic:
0 -No Lynch:
Not voting: Dierfire, MiniDeathStar, Kairal, Flubbernugget, I Am Innocent, Shadow_Step, culted, massive, Aj The Epic
With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch.
Deadline is (expired on 2017-01-11 15:30:00)

[massive]

Kairal, can you explain how you shifted from "we have 10 days, no rush" on Thursday to hammering Jin on Friday?

[Aj The Epic]

So in these kind of situations, it becomes dangerous for the town to just continue using past philosophy. We've effectively had three lynches (I'm considering Newman a lynch protected by a role claim) and missed on all three. Obviously we're not thinking this through right.

IaI, you questioned us all on our want to lynch Dierfire. Outside of Ehable, is there any specific reason? Also, with the Jin vote the only thing I saw in your ISO was that you weren't happy with his joke vote (Which Grey did the post prior). Was it just second on the list/best remaining option?

FWIW I completely agree with Massive that the hammer by Kairal did NOT need to happen, but I've been townreading Kairal as essentially a confirmed town member.

Not feeling a massive lynch anymore. Especially now that it seems like it'd be too easy to push, this is exactly where I'd warn against seeing a wagon form unless we have good reason. Think I'd prefer to look around CK's slot again as Shadowstep's done literally nothing with it since replacing in. We need to hear more from culted because my initial town read is basically stale on that slot (Culted almost didn't post yesterday).

I think looking towards Dier (depending on IaI's response)/Flubber/Shadow area might be best for today. Looking towards, not wagoning. We have two weeks, apathy aside we should burn a decent portion of it.

[I Am Innocent]

No I heavily suspected Jin. Both D1 and D2, just as much as newman. Io was my third choice. Needless to say my reads have sucked this game.

As for my D2 suspicion of the dierfire slot, it had to do with

1) replace out by elhabe
2) poor quantity and quality vote history of that slot
3) wishiwashiness of dierfire late D2

I may be or might expect we have an even night cop as well. I would play or strongly suggest that player not divulge any information from said investigation until this day has played out some (say a week).

I agree with AJ that we should all produce top 3 list at this point of who we suspect/ would be willing to vote. I'll do so as well once I get access to my work computer which has the vote history (prob Saturday). No reason to rush votes at this point.

[Kairal]

Yeah lynching Jin was a mistake. Sorry guys. That said he was reasonably suspicious for quite a long time. He frequently had posts that scolded people for doing exactly what he was doing, (i.e. softly casting suspicion on people without voting on them, or talking about a very small number of people). I should have left it longer but I got impatient.

Guess I should slow down a bit. Anyway I'm still feeling pretty good about Mini, AJ and Dier. I think massive is too obvious. We went down that path with Newman and Io already.

I'd also like to hear more from Shadow. Culted and Flubber were the two main Jin pushers so I guess I'm a bit suspicious there too. Although I thought he was suspicious too so not sure how noteworthy it is.

[culted]

Culted almost didn't post yesterday

It was a busy time for me and I didn't expect a hammer that soon cut me some slack!

[culted]

Gonna have to look at this tomorrow I have just about no energy left tonight. Definitely due for a reread.

[MiniDeathStar]

That lolhammer was absolutely awful. I didn't even have time to post. Please don't do that like ever again.

By the way: I just finished a game where Kairal was scum and totally fooled me, so I'm no longer locktown on him. Just town.

[MiniDeathStar]

6 - Io: Dierfire, MiniDeathStar, Aj The Epic, HellloooNewman, -Grey-,

I Am Innocent, culted

Secret Agent Jin (6)

culted , I Am Innocent

, Flubbernugget , massive , -Grey- , Kairal LYNCH!

Either we were all absolutely totally wrong as town and scum didn't even need to wagon these people (and make themselves look bad), or scum decided to sponsor them a little bit.

Do you notice a certain pattern here?

[MiniDeathStar]

I don't believe it for a minute. However we can't take the chance. Well I preferred a massive lynch anyway

VOTE: massive

Nah all we really gotta do is check on him tomorrow and make him prove he's a cop. We got time.

VOTE: Io

If I had an investigative role like Cop, I might target Secret Agent Jin or massive (normally a Town result on a player likely to be lynched is not tremendously useful because the Cop has to claim in order to divert the lynch, but with a role already claimed it's almost as useful to have Town results on players likely to be lynched as it is to have Mafia results).

Nah all we really gotta do is check on him tomorrow and make him prove he's a cop. We got time.

This.

I'm a cop!

ffs

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Newman

For the record, I don't believe the claim but am not so sure that I'd risk lynching a cop D1. Let's see what N1 brings and what Io's alignment is before we consider lynching a claimed cop.

unvote Newman
vote Io

Also down for jin lynch too.

I mean, pretty blatant fakeclaim but I can understand the meta.

INTENT TO HAMMER

Yeah still feeling AJ, Flubber, and Culted. Maybe not Culted, but Culted it probably the most likely other person that could be scum.
I think I believe Newman's claim.

Everyone's reactions to Newman's claim. Notice anything that stands out?

[MiniDeathStar]

Kairal, culted, IamI and massive claimed they didn't believe the claim.

Again. Notice a pattern?