post 533. look it up yourself.Sikario8 wrote:What have you gathered?
Uhh, no it doesn't. Explain where it does please. And I guarantee you that my observations (before I looked at my role, of course) come from a purely townsperson's perspective.What you did was incredibly anti-town. It shows blatant disregard for the town, in other words.
Quagmire wrote:Sikario8 wrote:What have you gathered?post 533. look it up yourself.
What you did was incredibly anti-town. It shows blatant disregard for the town, in other words.Uhh, no it doesn't. Explain where it does please. And I guarantee you that my observations (before I looked at my role, of course) come from a purely townsperson's perspective.
While showing TS's wrong conclusions and all doesn't make you immediately pro-town, I am not convinced that you're scum.Quagmire wrote:post 533. look it up yourself.Sikario8 wrote:What have you gathered?
No. I say we lynch him because he wasted all his posts until page 20.Mastermind of Sin wrote:Everyone voting Quagmire needs to unvote or present a case better than "he said he hadn't looked at his role pm, he could be lying!"
I've been voting for Toaster Strudel for many a page.Albert B. Rampage wrote:Even if he read his role pm its not like he can backtrack and go after someone else now. He wasted his day1 and our time, now we lynch him.
It shouldn't make me immediately pro town. Nothing should make me, or anybody else, immediately pro town. The best you can do at this point is theorize.zu_Faul wrote:While showing TS's wrong conclusions and all doesn't make you immediately pro-town, I am not convinced that you're scum.
I'm not so sure. I find it hard to see a mentality for Quag's play atm that falls in the protown category. If he doesnt want to play the game, Day 1 is the best time to get rid of him, as it also gains us info.Mastermind of Sin wrote:I'd rather lynch someone who is scum than someone who is useless for Day 1. Considering that there are actually people who seem like scum right now, we're better off lynching then than Quagmire.
Everyone in the town would rather lynch scum than someone who is useless; that's the game. But in this case, nobody can agree just who seems scummy. At least, no more than a few people can agree. Quag is the first person the whole town has really gotten together on, to push to the point of hammering. It's day 1, we don't have much to go on and Quag sent up a huge signal fire to distract us.Mastermind of Sin wrote:I'd rather lynch someone who is scum than someone who is useless for Day 1. Considering that there are actually people who seem like scum right now, we're better off lynching then than Quagmire.
Yes, I understand where you're coming from. Someone saying unprovoked for no good reason that they haven't read their role PM up to this point really should be setting off your scum alarm. You know, because scum like to purposely go out of their way to gain attention.Peers wrote:Everyone in the town would rather lynch scum than someone who is useless; that's the game. But in this case, nobody can agree just who seems scummy. At least, no more than a few people can agree. Quag is the first person the whole town has really gotten together on, to push to the point of hammering. It's day 1, we don't have much to go on and Quag sent up a huge signal fire to distract us.Mastermind of Sin wrote:I'd rather lynch someone who is scum than someone who is useless for Day 1. Considering that there are actually people who seem like scum right now, we're better off lynching then than Quagmire.
How can you assign an alignment to his mentality at all? The base assumption is that he hasn't read his role pm. Therefore, he doesn't know if he is protown or scum yet, so you obviously cannot make the assumption that he is scum OR town.Battle Mage wrote:I'm not so sure. I find it hard to see a mentality for Quag's play atm that falls in the protown category. If he doesnt want to play the game, Day 1 is the best time to get rid of him, as it also gains us info.Mastermind of Sin wrote:I'd rather lynch someone who is scum than someone who is useless for Day 1. Considering that there are actually people who seem like scum right now, we're better off lynching then than Quagmire.
If we dont see anyone really standing out as scummy by the end of the day, i'm happy to just lynch him and be done with it.
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I'd rather continue discussing things and come up with more suspects then decide Quagmire is a good compromise vote just because we can't decide on anyone else. The town has gotten together on Quagmire for no good reason. Just because they got together doesn't make it justified or good play.Peers wrote:Everyone in the town would rather lynch scum than someone who is useless; that's the game. But in this case, nobody can agree just who seems scummy. At least, no more than a few people can agree. Quag is the first person the whole town has really gotten together on, to push to the point of hammering. It's day 1, we don't have much to go on and Quag sent up a huge signal fire to distract us.
Peers wrote:ABR's just being retarded again, as per usual.
That, or he's making an incredibly brilliant observation about howyou've decided to "stand down" but not unvote...
Albert B. Rampage wrote:Even if he read his role pm its not like he can backtrack and go after someone else now.He wasted his day1 and our time, now we lynch him.
Mastermind of Sin wrote:I'm voting scum right now.
Mastermind of Sin wrote:How can you assign an alignment to his mentality at all? The base assumption is that he hasn't read his role pm. Therefore, he doesn't know if he is protown or scum yet, so you obviously cannot make the assumption that he is scum OR town.Battle Mage wrote:I'm not so sure. I find it hard to see a mentality for Quag's play atm that falls in the protown category. If he doesnt want to play the game, Day 1 is the best time to get rid of him, as it also gains us info.Mastermind of Sin wrote:I'd rather lynch someone who is scum than someone who is useless for Day 1. Considering that there are actually people who seem like scum right now, we're better off lynching then than Quagmire.
If we dont see anyone really standing out as scummy by the end of the day, i'm happy to just lynch him and be done with it.
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Peers wrote:Everyone in the town would rather lynch scum than someone who is useless; that's the game. But in this case, nobody can agree just who seems scummy. At least, no more than a few people can agree. Quag is the first person the whole town has really gotten together on, to push to the point of hammering. It's day 1, we don't have much to go on and Quag sent up a huge signal fire to distract us.I'd rather continue discussing things and come up with more suspects then decide Quagmire is a good compromise vote just because we can't decide on anyone else. The town has gotten together on Quagmire for no good reason. Just because they got together doesn't make it justified or good play.
just because someone disagrees with you and/or doesn't want to lynch Quag doesn't make them scum.Albert B. Rampage wrote:Meh. Even MoS doesn't look so great anymore.
Him not reading his role PM doesn't mean he's wasting anyone's time. If he's scum, it's a great play because then he's hard to read. If he's town, he can just play as a townie and not worry about any possible power role that he has. The reason our time is being wasted is because everyone's making such a big deal over this.Sikario8 wrote:Albert B. Rampage wrote:Even if he read his role pm its not like he can backtrack and go after someone else now.He wasted his day1 and our time, now we lynch him.•Did anyone come up with a rebuttal for this?
hasdgfas wrote:just because someone disagrees with you and/or doesn't want to lynch Quag doesn't make them scum.Albert B. Rampage wrote:Meh. Even MoS doesn't look so great anymore.
Sikario8 wrote:Albert B. Rampage wrote:Even if he read his role pm its not like he can backtrack and go after someone else now.He wasted his day1 and our time, now we lynch him.•Did anyone come up with a rebuttal for this?Him not reading his role PM doesn't mean he's wasting anyone's time. If he's scum, it's a great play because then he's hard to read. If he's town, he can just play as a townie and not worry about any possible power role that he has. The reason our time is being wasted is because everyone's making such a big deal over this.
hasdgfas wrote:JordanA24 wrote:Quag, it may be helpful for you not to read your Role PM, but it seriously disadvantages the rest of us, since you don't know what your alignment is on Day 1, and, if you're scum, you don't know who your buddies are, that makes all of your posts on Day 1 completely useless for trying to find your alignment/possible scumbuddies. Even if you're town, it disadvantages the town, because now, everybody's talking about you not reading your Role PM, rather than discussing about who's scum, it just wastes time and clogs the thread, and puts unnecessary pressure on yourself.I say we not worry about Quagmire's role PM at this point because as you say, it is what we're talking about instead of scum-hunting. We can try to find scumtells the same way as we do every game, except that one player doesn't know his role. This gives us an advantage because he's playing as a townie. If he changes his playstyle significantly tomorrow, or again says that he didn't read his role PM, we can lynch him then, but right now, he's on our side, no matter what his role PM says.
hasdgfas wrote:If he is scum, it is more pro-town, because he'll be scum-hunting just like the rest of us, so we might have one extra townie for at least a day.
Why in the world, if he was my scumbuddy, would he be so obvious about it? Your vote reeks of opportunism, especially after you had just "cooled off."sikario wrote:Your opposition to this investigation, or mockery thereof, can be taken two ways. You can be genuinely upset that we're stuck on Quag and not hunting or you can be trying to preserve a scumbuddy. What if Quag's already looked at his role PM and what if you're his scumbuddy? Does this not imply that Quag won't change his playstyle and that, if we overlook him and you're his advocate, we'll consequently overlook you until you two NK everyone?