Large Normal 199: L'Hôtel Pleuvoir (Fin)

[Aj The Epic]

Yeah anyone pushing to lynch Alisae today is off their rocker. Either way, Alisae's dangerous to the groupscum so it should resolve itself.

[Pine]

Water is wet.

See? I can post obv af shit too. Maybe give us some original insight?

[Alisae]

Nos is pushing me as an SK last time I remember.

[Elbirn]

Talk you fucks

[Alisae]

/me talks

[Elbirn]

Alisae help I'm sooo farkin bored, this game has stalled out hard

What should we do?

[Alisae]

Take Jerusalem?
Deus Vult?

[Cabd]

I'm about to drop an actual effort post; please find your nearest landmine and hang on tight.

[Aj The Epic]

Honestly? End the day. Pick a lynch, fight it out, end the day before New Years Eve. We're getting close to apathetic.

I'm kinda caught writing a research paper for a job application so... My issue right now is I don't know if I'm biased against Mozamis because she's constantly sending signals she thinks I'm scum and doing nothing with it or if I'm actually reading Mozamis as scum. I'll probably just side-by-side iso SSBM and Mozamis soon as they're really the only two I'm interested in lynching today.

[Pine]

I concur, to a degree. We're approaching the limits of what we can accomplish with what we have.

I'm willing to lynch Tywin or Mozamis. Then we can see some flips.

[mozamis]

I'll probably just side-by-side iso SSBM and Mozamis soon as they're really the only two I'm interested in lynching today.

you must have other reads apart from just wanting to jump on the two obv wagons?

[Aj The Epic]

BTW mozamis is a 'he', I slipped up there. Freaking avatar bias.

also Mozamis lest you forget I'm the one who basically made SSBM an obvious wagon. I have other reads, but they're town reads and uninteresting at that point.

[mozamis]

@ Aj - give me something like Pine's ("Hello, I'm town) big reads post a few pages back (probationary people etc).
You don't seem willing to put your self out there.
If no one's willing to join me on lynching AJ, I'll guess I'll go for SSbm. Or Sonia.
I liked the way Elbirn didnt want to mindlessly lynch me, but instead wanted to get back to the Cloudkicker stuff. Which, in fairness none of us really have, including me. But it semed a pro town, thinking about the game sort of post.

[Alisae]

Moz why not defending yourself from the people who want to lynch you?

[mozamis]

Well, what I am supposed to say? There is no case against me. Titus and Pine I pissed off early on, and they are OMGUsing.
No one else has given reasons. (going from memory) What are you reasons?

[Cabd]

So full disclosure, I was hoping to wait to evaluate the actual cloudkicker ISO and make my own opinions once EVERYONE else had weighed in but game's dragging. (I skimmed cases made from said ISO intentionally hence lack of vote)

Spoiler: Wherein Cabd waffles a ton while quoting a majority of Cloud's ISO

I aready found 1 mefia and i will townblock transcend if he has the same read

This points against syr-scum slightly in my book.

Titus why do you think Gamma is not a BFF?

He's null. Too early.

No hes not, he voted obvious town and you say someone fosing obvious town is null because lack of content beep beep
Lapsa is obvious town, sonia didnt say hi so ill go and say that its not towny, titus had 2 bad posts, tra

We have clears on Lapsa and Titus; so I've got money one of {gamma; Sonia} scum. I don't think it's both. Scum knew they had a traitor btw; just checked; so his traitor claims not getting picked up on hints more towards people less likely to know what to look for in him/know how to go about treating a traitor when scum. This makes me favor gamma over Sonia here if I had to pick; I think.

sonia titus elbirn pine are all looking bad atm, i like uzi, lap and another guy i forgot

Titus cleared; Uzi Lap dead town. Is it really as simple as two scum in {sonia, pine, elbirn}? Nah, can't be THAT easy...

Sonia i trust that i am competent enough that i will eventually have a correct read on your alignement, whatever it is

Although...

@mod whats the point even to have encryptor if mafia still have day talk without it, 2 encryptors?

In hindsight this was probably something irrelevant, he wouldn't know the main mafia team's PRs. The backtracking may have been legit about a flip in a different game.

Timing is important, and titus meta is great, sonia is a good player but this is also d1, flips will reveal her alignement and mine also

Wait people scumread sonia from this ISO, really?

Side note: Fuck he's really re-enforcing the tywin townslip scenario...

Also woops i forgot i did quote, im sad transcend boi is subbing out, i really wanted to play with him and sonia, one of the reason why i joined the game, lapsa also said he wouldnt be part of tywin lynch but eventally did vote them, also aj you are right its not AI per se, but you have to read in to nd tywin's imo was genuine, much more than titus's iso she has posted as proof

VOTE: lapsa

FWIW this also points slightly against syr-scum FMPOV

Titus is town, tywin is town, aj looks town, sonia is gut town with pro reads that are just like mine. Sbm might be playing a great scumgame btw, elbirn looks town enough, gamma with the mason comment looks ridiculously town

AJ or tywin? Starting to waffle but otoh the tywin shit was so frustrated town. Ugh.

Kyouko youre really underestimating what a traitor would to to indicates hes the traitor to their scumteam

This is the post that has everyone wanting to lynch SSBM right? I don't see it as indicative of ssbm scum; somebody convince me otherwise?

Yeah, I'm still not interested in a Lypsawhateverthefuckhisnameis lynch

Pedit: whats this about lying about tywin?

Just going to mark this as fake looking and associatives with lapsa, this is the exact behavior im looking for by pushong on traitor claim

Another point for town-syr.

Major takeaway here is +townpoints for Syryana and Sonia. And a major slide in my confidence in town-level for Aj and Tywin. Mozamis slot and nosf. slot were completely ignored; which means I'd rather not hunt there today. In fact until I typed that previous sentence I'd forgotten nos was still in this game. Even our completely VLA syryana player has more presence after subbing in.

[Cabd]

I have other reads, but they're town reads and uninteresting at that point.

Disagree; I'd love your town reads and justification thereof to help me sort you.

[Elbirn]

I know nothing anymore. Does a traitor townread his buddies or scumread them?

I feel okay about giving syr town points but unsure about sonia, I feel like I've either not groked what you're saying about sonia or something else

[Elbirn]

Post 1842 is what made me think Kyouko scum and reading it again I kinda wanna go there again

Does no one believe in me?

[mozamis]

And a major slide in my confidence in town-level for Aj and Tywin.

I dodnt see how AJ came out of that badly? If anything (just goin gon your post), Sonia llokked worse? What did i miss?

[Aj The Epic]

I have other reads, but they're town reads and uninteresting at that point.

Disagree; I'd love your town reads and justification thereof to help me sort you.

Right now,

Titus/Cabd/Alisae/Pine town
Nero/Elbirn probtown
Nos null
Tywin/Sonia/Gamma lean scum
Moz/SSBM scum

[mozamis]

Titus is town, tywin is town, aj looks town, sonia is gut town with pro reads that are just like mine. Sbm might be playing a great scumgame btw, elbirn looks town enough, gamma with the mason comment looks ridiculously town

As you say though, this can be WIfomed both ways.
I think I maybe know where you are coming from thouhg - Cloudkicker being too clever by half?

[mozamis]

Yeah, come on lets lynch AJ. The guys a good player and yet time and time again he gives no original input. He's not trying to "solve the game" , or push it on. No justufactions for his reads.
Just an identikit "blend in" list of reads.
He's scum.

[mozamis]

@Aj so Nero's "prob town". Why?

[ssbm_Kyouko]

So full disclosure, I was hoping to wait to evaluate the actual cloudkicker ISO and make my own opinions once EVERYONE else had weighed in but game's dragging. (I skimmed cases made from said ISO intentionally hence lack of vote)

Spoiler: Wherein Cabd waffles a ton while quoting a majority of Cloud's ISO

I aready found 1 mefia and i will townblock transcend if he has the same read

This points against syr-scum slightly in my book.

Titus why do you think Gamma is not a BFF?

He's null. Too early.

No hes not, he voted obvious town and you say someone fosing obvious town is null because lack of content beep beep
Lapsa is obvious town, sonia didnt say hi so ill go and say that its not towny, titus had 2 bad posts, tra

We have clears on Lapsa and Titus; so I've got money one of {gamma; Sonia} scum. I don't think it's both. Scum knew they had a traitor btw; just checked; so his traitor claims not getting picked up on hints more towards people less likely to know what to look for in him/know how to go about treating a traitor when scum. This makes me favor gamma over Sonia here if I had to pick; I think.

sonia titus elbirn pine are all looking bad atm, i like uzi, lap and another guy i forgot

Titus cleared; Uzi Lap dead town. Is it really as simple as two scum in {sonia, pine, elbirn}? Nah, can't be THAT easy...

Sonia i trust that i am competent enough that i will eventually have a correct read on your alignement, whatever it is

Although...

@mod whats the point even to have encryptor if mafia still have day talk without it, 2 encryptors?

In hindsight this was probably something irrelevant, he wouldn't know the main mafia team's PRs. The backtracking may have been legit about a flip in a different game.

Timing is important, and titus meta is great, sonia is a good player but this is also d1, flips will reveal her alignement and mine also

Wait people scumread sonia from this ISO, really?

Side note: Fuck he's really re-enforcing the tywin townslip scenario...

Also woops i forgot i did quote, im sad transcend boi is subbing out, i really wanted to play with him and sonia, one of the reason why i joined the game, lapsa also said he wouldnt be part of tywin lynch but eventally did vote them, also aj you are right its not AI per se, but you have to read in to nd tywin's imo was genuine, much more than titus's iso she has posted as proof

VOTE: lapsa

FWIW this also points slightly against syr-scum FMPOV

Titus is town, tywin is town, aj looks town, sonia is gut town with pro reads that are just like mine. Sbm might be playing a great scumgame btw, elbirn looks town enough, gamma with the mason comment looks ridiculously town

AJ or tywin? Starting to waffle but otoh the tywin shit was so frustrated town. Ugh.

Kyouko youre really underestimating what a traitor would to to indicates hes the traitor to their scumteam

This is the post that has everyone wanting to lynch SSBM right? I don't see it as indicative of ssbm scum; somebody convince me otherwise?

Yeah, I'm still not interested in a Lypsawhateverthefuckhisnameis lynch

Pedit: whats this about lying about tywin?

Just going to mark this as fake looking and associatives with lapsa, this is the exact behavior im looking for by pushong on traitor claim

Another point for town-syr.

Major takeaway here is +townpoints for Syryana and Sonia. And a major slide in my confidence in town-level for Aj and Tywin. Mozamis slot and nosf. slot were completely ignored; which means I'd rather not hunt there today. In fact until I typed that previous sentence I'd forgotten nos was still in this game. Even our completely VLA syryana player has more presence after subbing in.

On break rn will look closer at lunch but I feel like where you have sure townpoints I would give him scumpoints for the same posts. I think we have different ideas of what cloud was trying to do, I think he was trying to let his scumteam know he was the traitor, but maybe he was trying to be a townbeard for his team in hopes of them letting him live long enough to take over the scum factional kill as a fmott in late game