Newbie 1767 | Winter | Endgame

[Fredrick E Campbell]

Hi, everybody. Hello Fred.

VOTE: Fredrick E Campbell

Hello.
VOTE: Huntress

[Fredrick E Campbell]

I'm at L-2.

@Huntress-- You had a choice of putting the third vote on either Selynee or me. Why'd you go with the more experienced player?

Why must we have a wagon?

[Fredrick E Campbell]

I think Loopdan and Raskolnikov are the only ones here I've played with before.

Vote: Loopdan

Sorry, wrong quote.

[Fredrick E Campbell]

I'm at L-2.

@Huntress-- You had a choice of putting the third vote on either Selynee or me. Why'd you go with the more experienced player?

Why must we have a wagon?

Early pressure gets us out of RVS and people start taking stands.

Doesn't seem to be working

[Fredrick E Campbell]

VOTE: Huntress

the worst game I ever played...

Actually

VOTE: TheBrie

What made you change your vote?

[Fredrick E Campbell]

VOTE: Frederick[/unvote].

Post 25 seems forced.

How does it seem that way?

[Fredrick E Campbell]

@Mod: Please prod Selynee and TheBrie.

[Fredrick E Campbell]

Like I was implying... it usually works better on newbies than SE's.

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I agree with Rask on TheBrie.
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What do you agree with Rask on TheBrie?

[Fredrick E Campbell]

EBWOP:

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I agree with Rask on TheBrie.
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What do you agree with Rask on TheBrie?

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I've got an odd feeling about Echo. He may be scum.

Vote: EchoVision

So, EchoVision might be scum because of "an odd feeling about Echo"?

[Fredrick E Campbell]

VOTE: Frederick[/unvote].

Post 25 seems forced.

How does it seem that way?

You quoted a vote-change out of context and asked why he changed his mind, when the literal next post in the game was an explanation for the vote.
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I've got no idea what you mean by I quoted her out of context. It is true she explained her second vote. However, that doesn't explain why the vote was changed, which was the question I asked.

[Fredrick E Campbell]

@Mod: Please prod Raskolnikov

I will prod within the guidelines established within the rules in post 1. You do not need to request prods going forward.

- Mod

[Fredrick E Campbell]

Ooh, somebody voted for me. But not the person I voted for. Probably that person could tell I'm innocent. I mean I must be innocent. I'm so not worried that I forgot this existed for a couple of days.

Scum could do the same.

[Fredrick E Campbell]

Ooh, somebody voted for me. But not the person I voted for. Probably that person could tell I'm innocent. I mean I must be innocent. I'm so not worried that I forgot this existed for a couple of days.

Anyway, there is no way to no for sure if you are.

[Fredrick E Campbell]

Ooh, somebody voted for me. But not the person I voted for. Probably that person could tell I'm innocent. I mean I must be innocent. I'm so not worried that I forgot this existed for a couple of days.

Scum could do the same.

On second thought, scum can't do the same.

[Fredrick E Campbell]

VOTE: Huntress

the worst game I ever played...

Mmmmm

Actually

VOTE: TheBrie

Hello, new person here.
VOTE: Loopdan

I get a hint of LAMISN here
a word I may or may not have just made up which means look at me I'm so new

This doesn't explain why the vote was changed nor does it explain why the vote was moved, which are synonymous as seen here. If you disagree SensFan, show how these post explain why the vote was changed or why the vote was moved.

[Fredrick E Campbell]

So, post 21 has enough validity to make TheBrie scummy?

[Fredrick E Campbell]

VOTE: TheBrie

Unvote; Vote: TheBrie

Why do you two think that TheBrie is scummy?

[Fredrick E Campbell]

Happy with my vote staying on Frederick. I feel like he's not trying to scumhunt, just trying to appear active. His questions mean nothing, and he is clearly soft defending Brie here on this page.

With all this activity, why are you still voting Huntress?

My posts earlier were trying to get the game moving. My vote is still on Huntress because I still can't figure out who's scum.

[Fredrick E Campbell]

VOTE: TheBrie

Unvote; Vote: TheBrie

Why do you two think that TheBrie is scummy?

What do YOU think about TheBrie?

Not too sure about him. Early posts were quite scummy, but later ones seem to try and solve the game.

[Fredrick E Campbell]

I just used my

1-shot Game Solve Attempt

.

Once a game you can message the mod and they will confirm or deny your guess at the scum-team. You have to get both partners right or they just say "You are wrong." So like you can't just get partial credit for knowing one scum player.

It's rare to use it this early but I thought I'd give it a try. Penguin confirmed I nailed it and he should be along soon to lock up the thread and post the game ending. But we can continue to talk during this twilight period.

gg

I'm town. I'm willing to give the wages for nonsense like this.
VOTE: Loopdan
I've got a heavy schedule every Tuesday(my time zone is GMT+8) from now on since school has reopened. So, I'll be getting reads and answering questions tomorrow.

[Fredrick E Campbell]

@Fredrick-- Why do you believe post 95 is more likely to come from scum than town?

I still want an answer to this.
VOTE: Fredrick

What could town possibly do with a post like that? From what I see, the answer is plenty though. It has sparked up conversation, and of course makes analysis much more easier. But then, what was your intent?

[Fredrick E Campbell]

So, post 21 has enough validity to make TheBrie scummy?

SensFan?

[Fredrick E Campbell]

I'm slightly suspicious of SensFan and Loopdan. Perhaps because they seem to be trying hard to implicate me. Raskolnikov sounds more like a scum hunter. Suscious, but not trying to make everyone think people are guilty.

And now that three people have voted for me I'm a little nervous, because I'd rather not die just yet.

I've voted you, yes. But please point out where I've been "trying hard to implicate you" and "trying to make everyone think people are guilty."

I'll make it easy. Here is everything I've posted that is in any way related to you:

Spoiler:

VOTE: TheBrie

@TheBrie-- Who do you think is most likely scum at this point?

I don't see what people are seeing about Brie so much.

I see a null player. Don't know what made people so eager to vote her. But I don't think that was scum motived.

If you don't know what made people so eager to vote Brie, why do you think it isn't scum motivated?

@Brie
Assuming those voting you are town, why do you think they would be voting you right now, based on your posts so far?

Why are you questioning TheBrie about votes on him instead of the voters?

[Fredrick E Campbell]

Frederick/Brie scum-team

Lock up the thread and hit the Newbie Queue for your next /in.

Rask is right. Echo's 125 is terrible.

What's so bad about that post?

[Fredrick E Campbell]

I quoted post 92 because I was going to ask Loopdan are those actual reads he had, but I found it unneccessary and didn't ask the question.

[Fredrick E Campbell]

Okay, Im posting from mobile but I've got some stuff figured out. I've got two scum reads right now and it's on Huntress and SensFan. I have more suspicion on SensFan, so I'll start with him first. Towards the beginning of the game, SensFan decided to put a vote on Fred (who I have a town read for) due to a "Forced Post". The post was just a simple question on why somebody changed their vote. Nothing very forced about that IMO. That right there put a finger of suspicion on him for me. But it's his later posts that got me a complete maf read. Sens decided to hop on a wagon for Brie putting her at L-2(I believe) with absolutely no explanation. Yeah shit like that happens, but this struck me as very odd. The most suspicious thing for me was right after Loopdan used his fake guess shit. Sens said, "Wow. Guess that's that. Nice job loopdan." He didn't even bother reading the wiki or anything about it. He seemed so eager to end the game but didn't say anything at all about the whole thing and how ridiculous it seemed. He was just way way WAY too eager to put the game to an end. I'm on my way home now, so I'll post the rest of my findings later. For now,

VOTE: SensFan

On a scale of 0-10, how likely is it that someone with a join date of 2007 believed there existed such a thing as a "1-shot game-end"?

Exactly. You should know that there's nothing like that that would ever exist. Even if your join date was yesterday, you should know that. It's just way to overpowered and it shouldn't exist. That's why when you were so quick to jump on to the "good game, games over" train it raised many red flags for me.

If SensFan is scum, he would know it's a lie and wouldn't have said that in the first place.

[Fredrick E Campbell]

@Fredrick-- Why do you believe post 95 is more likely to come from scum than town?

I still want an answer to this.
VOTE: Fredrick

What could town possibly do with a post like that? From what I see, the answer is plenty though. It has sparked up conversation, and of course makes analysis much more easier. But then, what was your intent?

You didn't answer the question. Why is scum likelier than town to write 95? If you don't think this, is there a different reason you are voting me?

Just thought that scum were more likely to lie than town.

[Fredrick E Campbell]

Reading through again, I realized that all Echo has done is RSV vote Loopdan, make a couple of pointless comments, randomly voted for me, and immediately retracted, and make a weak case against Sensfan. I've checked his other game, and though he was quiet there I think it's different. I'm not sure if it's a good idea to rely much on meta from one game, but he hasn't been taking the game seriously.

VOTE: EchoVision

At least he's trying.

[Fredrick E Campbell]

Reading through again, I realized that all Echo has done is RSV vote Loopdan, make a couple of pointless comments, randomly voted for me, and immediately retracted, and make a weak case against Sensfan. I've checked his other game, and though he was quiet there I think it's different. I'm not sure if it's a good idea to rely much on meta from one game, but he hasn't been taking the game seriously.

VOTE: EchoVision

I'm slightly suspicious of SensFan and Loopdan. Perhaps because they seem to be trying hard to implicate me. Raskolnikov sounds more like a scum hunter. Suscious, but not trying to make everyone think people are guilty.

And now that three people have voted for me I'm a little nervous, because I'd rather not die just yet.

I've voted you, yes. But please point out where I've been "trying hard to implicate you" and "trying to make everyone think people are guilty."

I'll make it easy. Here is everything I've posted that is in any way related to you:

Spoiler:

VOTE: TheBrie

@TheBrie-- Who do you think is most likely scum at this point?

I don't see what people are seeing about Brie so much.

I see a null player. Don't know what made people so eager to vote her. But I don't think that was scum motived.

If you don't know what made people so eager to vote Brie, why do you think it isn't scum motivated?

@Brie
Assuming those voting you are town, why do you think they would be voting you right now, based on your posts so far?

Why are you questioning TheBrie about votes on him instead of the voters?

Would you answer that question, Loopdan?

[Fredrick E Campbell]

I haven't sheeped anyone beyond my intial RVS vote. I think my feelings on most people are pretty clear.

both your votes at Frederick and Brie happened one post after another vote on him.

In both cases someone else happened to check in first. I actually gave reasoning for the Fred vote before you did. Is anyone but the first person to log on after something bad is posted just sheeping?

@Sensfan, why are you so eager to hammer?
I'm more comfortable with waiting a few days as Loopy planned.

I'm not eager to hammer at all. I just want to set a clear expectation of a claim, and so there is the very sincere threat of a hammer to dissuade him from doing something stupid (like not claiming).

Not claiming is a stupid thing to do?

[Fredrick E Campbell]

Reading through again, I realized that all Echo has done is RSV vote Loopdan, make a couple of pointless comments, randomly voted for me, and immediately retracted, and make a weak case against Sensfan. I've checked his other game, and though he was quiet there I think it's different. I'm not sure if it's a good idea to rely much on meta from one game, but he hasn't been taking the game seriously.

VOTE: EchoVision

At least he's trying.

What do you mean by that, Fred? I'm not sure what you're getting at.

I meant he was trying to get reads.

[Fredrick E Campbell]

Frederick/Brie scum-team

Lock up the thread and hit the Newbie Queue for your next /in.

Rask is right. Echo's 125 is terrible.

What's so bad about that post?

So this might sound strange, but what exactly was your problem with the echo wagon?

You seemed to disagree with it without even knowing what it was. Which I don't quite get.

I had no reason to think Exho was scum. I didn't have much reason to think he was town either.

[Fredrick E Campbell]

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Another weird thing is the lack of posts from Fred on D2. He was so active D1, and now seems to be just trying to avoid pressure.

@fred, do you still think that Loopdan is scum?
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I haven't been able to post much as school had just reopened. D1 was still the school holidays and I had more time.
Loopdan is null on my list.

[Fredrick E Campbell]

Meanwhile, my vote goes to my largest scumread.
VOTE: SensFan

[Fredrick E Campbell]

@rasko, now that we know Echo's flip, how do you read his wagon? I'm trying to do it, and is only making me more paranoid.

Probably not more than one scum on the wagon I'd imagine. As of now I'm thinking likely sens over huntress or especially thebrie but I want to see to see how sens answers today first.

Also are there any claims on the table right now? Before I read up

None from me.

[Fredrick E Campbell]

lucca and huntress have been the two that have stood out to me as particularly scummy in the early parts of today. Huntress in particular seems super eager to put all of a D1 lynch on one person, and has been around the block way too much to seriously think that 'one time someone did this thing and was Scum' is at all relevant.

TheBrie is super raw, which is making it hard for me to read her. For now I think I'm willing to put her in the Town pile until a bit later, but plan on looking back at her stances on people when we get more flips. I think she's the least likely to have been able to look natural as Scum looking back in hindsight on stuff like a Scum wagon.

Loopdan and I seem to naturally be on the same page on most/all issues, which makes me inclined he's looking at the game sincerely.

I don't feel like I have a good grasp on Fred/Selynee/Rask right now, though I should go back. I feel like I remember finding Fred suspicious on D1 and I'm not sure why.

Can you explain the odd feeling about me?

It was from post 22. It felt like you trying to defend TheBrie by searching around for a different reason for Rask's comment than the one actually given.

Loopdan's question about Sensfan's first vote also felt weird.

However, that doesn't explain why the vote was changed, which was the question I asked.

Why would you expect someone to stay with a random vote?

The three people are me and the two scum. Also you and Fred if you aren't mafia. So probably four then.

Why include Fred in that?

What was so weird about Loopdan's question about SensFan's vote?

[Fredrick E Campbell]

lucca and huntress have been the two that have stood out to me as particularly scummy in the early parts of today. Huntress in particular seems super eager to put all of a D1 lynch on one person, and has been around the block way too much to seriously think that 'one time someone did this thing and was Scum' is at all relevant.

Did I say you were scum because of it?. Nope. I was just saying that you shouldn't be given town points for it as scum do it too. Your claiming lucca forced your hand over it when he was asking for more time, that was scummy though.

@rasko, now that we know Echo's flip, how do you read his wagon? I'm trying to do it, and is only making me more paranoid.

Probably not more than one scum on the wagon I'd imagine. As of now I'm thinking likely sens over huntress or especially thebrie but I want to see to see how sens answers today first.

Also are there any claims on the table right now? Before I read up

None from me.

lucca and huntress have been the two that have stood out to me as particularly scummy in the early parts of today. Huntress in particular seems super eager to put all of a D1 lynch on one person, and has been around the block way too much to seriously think that 'one time someone did this thing and was Scum' is at all relevant.

TheBrie is super raw, which is making it hard for me to read her. For now I think I'm willing to put her in the Town pile until a bit later, but plan on looking back at her stances on people when we get more flips. I think she's the least likely to have been able to look natural as Scum looking back in hindsight on stuff like a Scum wagon.

Loopdan and I seem to naturally be on the same page on most/all issues, which makes me inclined he's looking at the game sincerely.

I don't feel like I have a good grasp on Fred/Selynee/Rask right now, though I should go back. I feel like I remember finding Fred suspicious on D1 and I'm not sure why.

Can you explain the odd feeling about me?

It was from post 22. It felt like you trying to defend TheBrie by searching around for a different reason for Rask's comment than the one actually given.

Loopdan's question about Sensfan's first vote also felt weird.

However, that doesn't explain why the vote was changed, which was the question I asked.

Why would you expect someone to stay with a random vote?

The three people are me and the two scum. Also you and Fred if you aren't mafia. So probably four then.

Why include Fred in that?

What was so weird about Loopdan's question about SensFan's vote?

The quotes above in these two quotes shouldn't be there.

[Fredrick E Campbell]

VOTE: Frederick[/unvote].

Post 25 seems forced.

How does it seem that way?

You quoted a vote-change out of context and asked why he changed his mind, when the literal next post in the game was an explanation for the vote.

Also, VOTE: Frederick. Hopefully that worked; I don't think vote tags were a thing when I left.

Unvote; Vote: TheBrie

No 1. suspicion: Mysteriously vote changing

that doesn't count as a hammer. give rasko the time he requested.

Thanks for that.

Vote: Echo

Eh. You forced my hand. Worked okay, considering.

No 2. suspicion: Blaming lucca261 for making him hammer.

I don't know what to make of Sickofit1138's guess. It does make sense that SensFan is potentially a scum. Lucca261, however, doesn't seem likely to be scum. Meanwhile, remembering SensFan's post 100, it is still possible, but unlikely, that he might not be scum.

Sickofit1138, what did you mean in post 289.

[Fredrick E Campbell]

Okay, yeah. Fred is probably still Scum.

On what basis are you making that accusation?

[Fredrick E Campbell]

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Thread interaction seems limited to things concerning himself as well, he asks questions but never mentions the answers he got which is a classic tell that someone isn't actually interested.

It is true that earlier in Day 1, I forgot to follow up my questions. After lucca261 mentioned he wished more follow up to my questions. I've been following them up. Not replying to the later questions doesn't mean I didn't use them to guess the player's alignment.

[Fredrick E Campbell]

EBWOP: It is true that earlier in Day 1, I forgot to follow up my questions. After lucca261 mentioned he wished more follow up to my questions, I've been following them up. Not replying to the later questions doesn't mean I didn't use them to guess the player's alignment.

[Fredrick E Campbell]

Okay, yeah. Fred is probably still Scum.

On what basis are you making that accusation?

Your consistent taking of things out of context to make someone look bad when you ask about it.

Examples, sir.

[Fredrick E Campbell]

Since people have bugged me to pass my reads...
Sickofit1138: Town for being attempting to guess who's scum.
Huntress: Someone like me. I'm nullreading Huntress.
TheBrie: Seems to be more likely than not to be town. A definite townread.
Loopdan: Trying to sherlock the game. Awarded a townread.
Raskolnikov: Trying to sherlock the game as well. Awarded a townread.
SensFan: Mysterious hammer and mysterious read. A scumread.
lucca261: Seems trying to solve the game. A townread.

[Fredrick E Campbell]

Okay, yeah. Fred is probably still Scum.

On what basis are you making that accusation?

Your consistent taking of things out of context to make someone look bad when you ask about it.

Examples, sir.

We went over this in D1. You've since continued to do very similar things in for example your 'case' against me.

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I suppose you mean post 357. How is that even a misrepresentation of your intent?

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Also, your list of reads has 1 scum, 1 null, and the rest Town. Just FYI.

What has that got to do with anything?

[Fredrick E Campbell]

So, post 57 is scummy? I would consider it truthful. Also, Huntress is not a scumread of mine nor is she townreaad. Should I say "not scumread and townread" before you could understand my read isn't a scumread?

[Fredrick E Campbell]

Sorry I disappeared. I had a really bad fever last week. Was in bed for 4 whole days. Enjoy the game and good luck finding the second scum.
By the way, I'm 14, Raskolnikov.

Spoiler: Cute photo of a penguin

[Fredrick E Campbell]

The problem with perspective is, if x person finds something really scummy, they might see that was what sealed the deal, but in the overall grand scheme of things it's just 1 vote.

This is why it can be useful to have a dead player as a spectator, like me.

[Fredrick E Campbell]

*your

fuck

Watch your language.

[Fredrick E Campbell]

*your

fuck

Watch your language. It can get you into trouble.

[Fredrick E Campbell]

I'm still not sold Rasko can survive two lynches with the weird fakeclaim hijinks. I could be out of touch, but I still think it works as a Town gambit because your survival isn't important.

It works as a scum gambit as well because even though this gambit has managed to trick everyone, including himself, into believing that this gambit leads to a lynch, it seldom does because of that very same belief. Usually people who play this gambit survives without getting lynched, although there are exceptions.

[Fredrick E Campbell]

Didn't this game start before the other one finished?

I was already in the dead thread in 1857 when this started.

Also it's weird how different you're style is from TTTT to here.

Is that an alt thing or a newbie-queue thing?

I've tried hard to keep the play-styles distinct, so that's good to hear. I'm finding it's more fun to play TTTT than Loopdan outside Newbie games, and Loopdan is a better experience for new players than TTTT, so I'm planning on keeping this account in Road to Rome and using TTTT for the other stuff.

Good to here. See you around as TTTT elsewhere.