Large Normal 199: L'Hôtel Pleuvoir (Fin)

[Alisae]

Actually nah, thats the wrong word. Moreso opportunistic

[Nero Cain]

ok and?

[Alisae]

just stating my observation.

[Nero Cain]

this is to Moz and everyone else that is "scum" reading me but is not engaging with me and keeping me at arms length. Moz the

ONLY

difference between this game and RFB is that the people I was scum reading like House and Exp and whomever else actually replied to my stuff on them and/or had "valid" (albiet wrong as fuck/pushback) that I could counter. Here no one is really doing that. Yes, SSBM finally got around to acknowledging that I was voting her but for the most part everyone here seems to just wave me off.

[Pine]

Psh fuck off dancing Jesus

[Elbirn]

Really? The anyone but me route?

Correction: "anyone but me or aj"

Which is uh.....what?

Moz refresh my memory as to your aj read?

vote:Moz

Bold your votes friend
Unless that's just a giggle yer havin'

[Tywin Lannister]

So I just caught up. There's nothing interesting whatsoever in the past 20 or so pages. It's all crap.

Town is shitting the bed here BADLY. It's like you're all playing like newbies. You all give the same shit reads, don't give legitimate reasons for them (the only reasons I see are for TRs, which mean jack fucking shit), and you all wagon townies. It's terribad. I pray that I'm shot tonight by Alisae so I can't be a part of this shit show. This thread is absolutely ridiculous. You guys need to relearn how to read players. I'm not joking.

Mozamis is OBVIOUS town. That's a BAD wagon. It's a fucking joke. What is the case on him? There isn't one!!! Wake the fuck up town. Learn how to play mafia. Jesus.

All the shit reads from Kyouko and Pine are pre-flip garbage based on me being scum. Titus still calls me scum without any actual evaluation. Cabd sits in a corner with popcorn. Nos wants to lynch an SK/maybe vigi over scum. Kyouko calls that lurking fuck town for it. Pine does Jack shit all game, every post is absolute garbage fluff, yet nobody questions him on it. Mozamis gives actually legit reads that make sense and gets a quick wagon for it. Alisae jumps on it due to not knowing how to play. Elibrin is obvious town and will be NK'd for it most likely. Titus has been useless the entire day. Gamma is obvious scum. Who am I missing? Anyone? Syryana... Probably scum since he hasn't reappeared since his fake vigi claim that our 'Vigi Alisae whose probably SK' won't call him out on. What else?

Honestly, this game is fucked. Scum will easily win. Town have no ability to give decent reads, and the amount of pre-flip garbage and useless theories constantly thrown out only prove that point more and more. This game is one of the worst town performances I've seen in a very long time. Scum aren't even playing well. They just don't have to do a thing. Town mislynch all on their own. Scum just hop on.

Again, mozamis is town. Lapsa's wagon I understood. He screamed scummy in his personality and play style. Mozamis screams town and you people wagon him for it. Why? Because you disagree with his reads. You disagree with his reads, because your own are absolute shit. This is seriously a learn 2 play issue. Some of you need to relearn the game or take a break from it. 100% serious here.

People who are probably town or third party (SK, or something stupid like survivor):

Titus
Cabd
Mozamis
Elibrin
Alisae (I don't care whether she's vigi or SK, she's not the lynch target under any circumstances)
Me (but who cares, I'm an easy mislynch tomorrow if Alisae doesn't shoot me)

Probably scum:

Pine
AJ
Gamma

Null but lean scum over town:
Nos
Kyouko
Syryana

Did I miss anyone?

Chew on that list. Mozamis is CLEARLY a scum driven wagon. It's terrible.

I want Pine lynched more than anyone, but since town won't give me that wish, I'll vote the other leading wagon in AJ, who at best is null and at worst is a useless scum fuck. Just saying.

VOTE: AJ

Alisae: please shoot me tonight. Otherwise, please shoot obvious scum Pine.

[Tywin Lannister]

Oh I forgot Nero in there. Add him to the null/don't care pile.

[Tywin Lannister]

I forgot Sonia too. Add her to scum pile.

[Aj The Epic]

>Rants about no ability to give decent reads
>votes for the one person in the game he doesn't mention the entire post

[Elbirn]

Poor old scum. My wagon is mostly town i think. Props to AJ for finally growing a pair and voting to put me at L-1. But his poor scum buddies are bricking themselves now, cos one of them is gonna have to drop the hammer lol

We should wait for Tywin and Sky and anyon else lurking/had probs with vacation access. Try and get AJ lynched by the WHOLE TOWN, not a rush job on me by nerovus town and jubilant scum rushing through another mislynch.

MY P.o.E update:
So scum has to be in AJ, Nos, Gamma, Sonia, (Twyin? He has been stong town read of mine, but maybe i was gullible over his ATE?)
Gamma already on my wagon.
Soni and Tywin will get in a muddle if they vote me.
So my bet is that Nos will come in and whack down a lurkery/"lols" hammer "cos that the way he plays, fuck it, i didmnt really know what was going on, shit was he town, ah shame..."
If so lynch the fuck out of him.

So according to moz aj is scum but let's look for options outside of aj

Wew lads

[Tywin Lannister]

Elibrin, if you are town, I'd give a long farewell letter and last reads before mozamis gets hammered, because you're too town to not be NK'd soon. I mean.. Assuming scum aren't idiots, I can't see how you'd live. Mozamis is the other obvious 'absolutely screams town' player to me, and scum are wagoning him for it. Titus and Cabd have remained useless enough to live on. I'm an easy mislynch tomorrow. Alisae is useless and easily led like a sheep, so she's gonna stay. The rest are null players that could go either way, but honestly add nothing to help town win so they're a wash.

So analyzing what any smart scum team would do, you're the obvious NK target assuming you really are town and not scum playing the game of your life. Just saying man. Be prepared for it. I can say this since I already accept my fate as the next mislynch, so I'm not exactly worried about scum like Pine calling this post scummy. I'm just calling it as I see it. Give reads before the day ends. FYI

[Aj The Epic]

So according to moz aj is scum but let's look for options outside of aj

Wew lads

She just saw the light imo.

I don't really get the negative feels over this game. As far as I'm concerned, the town's in a relatively decent position to perform and Tywin's direction went against his own diction by refusing to explain his own placement.

[Tywin Lannister]

>Rants about no ability to give decent reads
>votes for the one person in the game he doesn't mention the entire post

I'm only voting you because you're not mozamis. I want Pine lynched, but it would be a throwaway vote. IMO so is mine on you too, but at least I tried. You lean more null than scum to me (although you are in my scum pool), but it's not like it will matter. You're gonna lynch town regardless of what your flip is since you're wagoning mozamis. At least give a case on him.

[Aj The Epic]

I do cases when I need to start a wagon, not end one.

[Tywin Lannister]

So according to moz aj is scum but let's look for options outside of aj

Wew lads

She just saw the light imo.

I don't really get the negative feels over this game. As far as I'm concerned, the town's in a relatively decent position to perform and Tywin's direction went against his own diction by refusing to explain his own placement.

I have no idea what that last sentence means, but idk how you think town are in a good position? After you mislynch another townie on D2, and Alisae NKs another townie in me or someone else, town will be down 5. We got lucky with scum NKing cloud. That was pretty funny, but even scum being morons won't derail them from this win. Town are just bigger morons.

You must like in some really optimistic fantasy land to think town are in a good position with zero scum flips. Traitor doesn't count, since scum did that themselves. You live in a fantasy. You must be scum for that, because there's no legitimate reason to assume anything good here. Even if you pre-flip me and call me caught scum (which I'm not so that's also a hugely false hypothetical), you'd still be screwed. After I'm mislynched or vigi killed, you'll be down to Lylo maybe.

[Tywin Lannister]

I do cases when I need to start a wagon, not end one.

Have fun with that scum. That's not a townie mindset. You're lucky town have a learn 2 play issue this game.

[Nero Cain]

Oh I forgot Nero in there. Add him to the null/don't care pile.

What has made you downgrade my town read or are you just joining the chorus of "Nero is lurking"?

[Aj The Epic]

No, that's a perfectly reasonable mindset. If the wagon exists and will conclude with a lynch, why bother making a case for why I think it should exist and reach a lynch?

[Elbirn]

Elibrin, if you are town, I'd give a long farewell letter and last reads before mozamis gets hammered, because you're too town to not be NK'd soon. I mean.. Assuming scum aren't idiots, I can't see how you'd live. Mozamis is the other obvious 'absolutely screams town' player to me, and scum are wagoning him for it. Titus and Cabd have remained useless enough to live on. I'm an easy mislynch tomorrow. Alisae is useless and easily led like a sheep, so she's gonna stay. The rest are null players that could go either way, but honestly add nothing to help town win so they're a wash.

So analyzing what any smart scum team would do, you're the obvious NK target assuming you really are town and not scum playing the game of your life. Just saying man. Be prepared for it. I can say this since I already accept my fate as the next mislynch, so I'm not exactly worried about scum like Pine calling this post scummy. I'm just calling it as I see it. Give reads before the day ends. FYI

Nahh, I never get nk'd cuz I'm not actually good. That's my secret captain, I'm always town enough not to be lynched, scum enough not to be nk'd, reads are wrong enough for no one to care. Then I show up drunk in lylo and hammer scum for the win.

And that is the way the game is played.

In all seriousness though *everyone* should get last words in *every* day phase, imo.

I don't really get why you seem to think I'm so town though but I don't feel like bothering you about it atm. There is a clearly growing faction of anti-Elbirn sentiment growing though, so that will probably keep me alive at night if nothing else?

[mozamis]

@ pine: just trying to get options going. And obviously, I don't want to get lynched. Just suggesting alternatives if no one is up for AJ. Your constant sniping at me is getting me down, becuase you are clearly town. You're fed up with me me because I criticised your lack of input a while back. You DID fade away, you DID lack input for a while.Perhaps for legitimate RL reasons. Whatever. Get over it, and get off my back. You've come back strong, and have are clearly town. We're both the the clearest town players here, along with Elbirn, and you know that. You have had your OMGUS revenge. Now drop it, move on, and let's WIN.

And you'll note, me suggesting lynching lurkers seems to have jogged Tywin and Nero into action.

[mozamis]

Gamma is obvious scum.

So are you pushing Gamma? Haven't heard a case from you on him.

[Pine]

The fact that you keep belittling my case against you as OMGUS doesn't help you, Moz. If you actually think that, you're either incredibly self-involved or not reading

[Elbirn]

We're both the the clearest town players here, along with Elbirn,

Srsly did I get day-copped while I wasn't looking?

Moz did you not have me as scum earlier? Explain.

[Aj The Epic]

Tywin, if you think Mozamis' wagon is 'scum driven', you think PINE drove the wagon, or who are you saying? Because 'driven' would suggest 'started by' which is nothing I can take credit for either way (hence another awkward biproduct of your vote) but Pine seems to be your other scum read.

(Titus, ssbm_Kyouko, Pine, Gamma Emerald, Alisae, Aj The Epic)

Going by assumption, Titus is confirmed town. SSBM, while you read scum/null lean, has been given town read basically off of a potential town slip. You scum read Gamma but he hasn't been active to drive the wagon. Alisae can't be group scum. I'm not driving shit. So where's the statement coming from?