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No I don’t agree that grapes is Town. Why do you bother with this avenue when you flat out know I don’t believe it? I think grapes stands a better than likely chance of being Leftover Scum joining Lapis. That’s for certain. That exercise was simply to show you that even if grapes is Town confirming it before Daybreak tomorrow is a shut-down win for Town and you are standing in the way of that with your stance.In post 12064, mastin2 wrote:Stopping you there.
If we agree on the premise that grapes is town, it doesn't matter if he is confirmed as town via lynch.
We can automatically assume that Shiro is confirmed as town if grapes is town.
Fuck stupid stances that only serve to reinforce self-pride.In post 12064, mastin2 wrote:Fuck theoretical gamebreaking strategies.
You can’t prove people are Town via anything short of IC status confirmed by the mod and asking for that as evidence is stupid. Hell there is doubt in some players minds that you aren’t scum given that reliability of Yume as a witness to your IC status. You aren’t a Newb and I expect better from you than that.In post 12064, mastin2 wrote:Show me why grapes is scum. Or, alternatively, show me why every player aside from grapes is town. (You're allowed one exception if you feel there are two scum left.)
Three flipped scum fueling Farside and another scum on kraska with grapes.In post 7812, Varsoon wrote:VOTECOUNT 3.07
Farside22 (8): Titus, SnarkySnowman, MagnaofIllusion, TheWayItEnds, DrippingGoofball, Skybird, Yume, Xkfyu
DrippingGoofball (6): Shiro, Thefuzzylogic99, Not Chara, McMenno, Creature, Farside22
Kraskaesque (3): mastin2, grapes, Shadow_Step
Note that grapes is part of the counter-wagon push for Snarky. Then at 8490 grapes hops on the DGB wagon with narry a comment why. And let’s look at grapes’ placement on the wagon –In post 8412, Varsoon wrote:VOTECOUNT 3.11
SnarkySnowman (7): McMenno, Farside22, Titus, Not Chara, grapes, mastin2, TheWayItEnds
DrippingGoofball (4): Thefuzzylogic99, SnarkySnowman, MagnaofIllusion, Creature
Farside22 (1): Almost50
Not Voting (9): Shadow_Step, Xkfyu, Skybird, Shiro, DrippingGoofball, Reasonably Rational, Kraskaeaque, Firebringer, randomidget
That is prime “Oh well better get on the bus” vote movement right there. Once again – at the start of the day DGB was one of grapes’s two “best vote” locations but he only ever actually voted DGB when it became clear she was doomed.In post 8587, Varsoon wrote:VOTECOUNT 3.12 : LYNCH
DrippingGoofball (LYNCH): Thefuzzylogic99, SnarkySnowman, MagnaofIllusion, Creature, Titus, Shiro, Firebringer, grapes, McMenno, Farside22, Not Chara
TWIE (scum), Farside and Kraska (both Town) are “good lynches”. Again look through his ISO yourself but this is yet another case of scum being in his top pile but not questioning / pushing on them in thread at all.In post 9189, grapes wrote:Okay so we can't even lynch today because what the fuck let's all pile on snarky.
Thought after the skybird flip he looked more town. Which is why I voted kraska for the lynch thing.
Shadow_Step - meh
Almost50 - wouldn't lynch today
Shiro - meh
Farside22 - good lynch
Reasonably Rational - wouldn't lynch today
mastin2 - wouldn't lynch today
Kraskaeaque - good lynch
MagnaofIllusion - meh
TheFuzzylogic99 - wouldn't lynch today
Creature - wouldn't lynch today
randomidget - meh
TheWayItEnds - good lynch
Just completely off the top of the dome. I know twie looks pretty bad especially since he didn't vig I mean he might've been blocked but really it's getting more and more convenient.
I’ve bolded the above portion to highlight that as of Day 5 to show that prior to today’s early “There are no Leftovers” flailing by grapes he was posting from a standpoint that he believed there was more than one.In post 9356, grapes wrote:As for farside, I dunno man. Looks like there's a lot of things there. I mean I could see town just lolhammering snarky there I suppose and I don't really get why the numbers matter so much when you're voting to lynch anyway. It's easy to paint -not letting everyone get alliances- as scummy. It's easy to paint her role as scummy because it kinda is.
But the trouble is based on XK's flip that the leftovers have literally no reason to not try and help the faction who's lending them more of an ear. And town sure as hell has been pissed at farside.
Kraska's groupscum for certain. And if there's 5 twie's the last.
So TWIE is the leading wagon but grapes isn’t voting one of his top suspects at this stage.In post 9650, Varsoon wrote:VOTECOUNT 5.03
TheWayItEnds (3): Farside22, Kraskaeaque, mastin2
Farside22 (2): ReasonablyRational, Almost50
Creature (1): MagnaofIllusion
TheFuzzyLogic99 (1): Shadow_Step
Not Voting (6): Shiro, grapes, Thefuzzylogic99, Creature, randomidget, TheWayItEnds
Now that scum is very handicapped in membership Shadow is a good person to be helping mind Fuzzy’s shot. Yet still there are escape holes to renew that Shadow scum read as shown in 11056.In post 10690, grapes wrote:pedit: I'm not sure creature -- most people think you're scum and I really liked the idea of a shadow/fuzzy duo. Because I can see those two ironing out there differences and I don't trust fuzzy with a vig by himself he already shot fire apparently.
why the fuck would i shoot the person claiming masons with meIn post 12062, TheFuzzylogic99 wrote:if Random was scum
Night5- shot MOI( if I understand right) but was RB
Night6- Shot far?
Night7- RB by Event
Night 8- RB by event
not really as Yume would be the entire reason whyIn post 12074, TheFuzzylogic99 wrote:if Mastin is scum she deserves to be nominated for a scummy..........not only that but to win
dude just stop.In post 12096, TheFuzzylogic99 wrote:RR
MOI is not voting for me ...however Shiro snd Random are voting me
MOI
Yeah bc asking questions and trying to figure things out is just so so scummy.......I hate how you are trying to make me feel dumb for asking questions....really this is just anti town, Sorry you are not helping, I don't think you are scum. Its possible but unlikely.
On the questions ......If you are scum than you either are lying about setting off the event or being targeted. As I said its odd that you set off an event that saved your own life........ Its possible though. That why I was asking you about it. I am trying to work through these things out..... No I am not CC As I said I am just trying to figure out how exactly the event work.
please please please stop defending Random and letting him just skate by...... I don't think this is an unreasonable request
Can everyone just vote me and get it over with bc honestly I a tired of this game...............I am going to get mislynched at some point so I rather it be today/ Thanks
See this response avoids all the important points I brought up and tries to sideline it in "I'm trying to figure stuff out".In post 12096, TheFuzzylogic99 wrote:MOI
Yeah bc asking questions and trying to figure things out is just so so scummy.......I hate how you are trying to make me feel dumb for asking questions....really this is just anti town, Sorry you are not helping, I don't think you are scum. Its possible but unlikely.
On the questions ......If you are scum than you either are lying about setting off the event or being targeted. As I said its odd that you set off an event that saved your own life........ Its possible though. That why I was asking you about it. I am trying to work through these things out..... No I am not CC As I said I am just trying to figure out how exactly the event work.
3. I am claiming to have triggered the Event and saved myself.In post 10230, Varsoon wrote:The Event "AH! DON'T HURT HER! DON'T HURT... ME." has been triggered, causing the following public effects:
Due to the effects of this event, a death has been prevented from happening during Climax 5.
Since this death has been prevented, no role information will be flipped and the stress will not be affected.
Mastin can't talk to grapes privately.In post 12103, MagnaofIllusion wrote:@Mastin– Why don’t you ask grapes about his claimed Cop Event? I’d really like to see your take on what he claims to have.
My presence had already been made known before you replaced in. If you want to pretend that all the posts before that don't exist, fine, but don't sell me short I think I've played at least an okay game here.In post 12101, MagnaofIllusion wrote:Firstly we have his general engagement level with the game. Grapes has been a more or less non-entity since I joined at the start of Day 3. I think I actually forgot he was in the game at one point that was how non-impactful his presences was up until today.
I actually don't remember if it was confirmed magna was shot or if scum possibly no-killed again.In post 12108, TheFuzzylogic99 wrote:BTW the reason I asked is bc while I thought that you set off the event I was not sure you were the one targeted,
This was what I was trying to say before but couldn't put the words together the right way.In post 12076, mastin2 wrote:Bolding this. Skybird was in an alliance with Xkfyu. Skybird was thus supposedly immune to all actions.In post 8592, Varsoon wrote:If you ally with any player, you will learn if they are a Human or a Gem.
So long as you are allied with a player, you are immune to all actions.
Her allying with Xkfyu to save the life of the Foxbird/Twinwings/Shadow_step slot therefore makes sense:
One, she was considered confirmed town.
Two, even if not, she was far less likely to be shot.
And three,even if she was, there was cause to believe the shot would be wasted.
In fact, looking at the nature of the ability:Even if you conveyed the nature of the kill. Xkfyu paraphrasing to you, Almost50, and you paraphrasing to Reasonably Rational. This kill doesn't look like it would trump Skybird's immunity on the surface.In post 9107, Varsoon wrote:EPISODE EVENT: Exposition Only--Trigger any time a player successfully allies with you.
PRIORITY: 2
REQUIREMENTS: +2 Stress or higher.
You may immediately (privately) end your alliance to cause all players allied with you to publicly be removed from the game for an entire Episode.
You may privately decide to kill a single player that is removed in this way. They will die upon returning to the game.
Now, we happen to know in hindsight that yes it did. With Xkfyu's flip and Skybird's flip, we can see the verbiage that would allow it: she was removed from the game, and by being removed from the game, was therefore no longer in the alliance and therefore vulnerable. But that exact detail would have had to have survived the chain.
Tell me, Almost50. What EXACTLY did you tell RR?
Because if you didn't convey the ability in a specific phrasing...then yeah. Reasonably Rational could have assumed Skybird was immune to the kill. In fact! Reasonably Rational could have killed Yumespecifically so that Xkfyu would trigger and waste his event, on someone who would be immune to its effect. (Or so they would have believed.)
You're talking to the guy who thinks the only way I'm scum is if I'm a leftover-scum-deathbubbler-thatcan'tcommitthefactionalkillanyway.In post 12083, mastin2 wrote:Almost50 gets confirmation that GRAPES DID NOT TARGET ANYONE. Which confirms grapes as town.
In post 12092, MagnaofIllusion wrote:Beyond anything else you don’t get to play the injured party while basically insulting the ability and effort of every other player in the game.
At this point you need to read magna and random as a single entity. Do you understand why?In post 12096, TheFuzzylogic99 wrote:please please please stop defending Random and letting him just skate by...... I don't think this is an unreasonable request
Interesting.In post 12071, mastin2 wrote:Wrong. They explicitly were. Skybird was in their unlynchable list.In post 12025, grapes wrote:The benefit is that scum were living in a world where skybird was lock-town and thought she was invincible.
I don't think that you were living in that world.In post 6053, Reasonably Rational wrote:Town/unlikely to be aligned with scum:(important distinction)
Skybird <<< PT with steven
So yeah. The people above are unlynchable yo.
Everyone below has no interactions which make me believe it is impossible for them to be scum, though some are less plausible as scum than others(such as grapes).
Shadow_Step
By the way what is your town-motivation for outing my role at this point?In post 12103, MagnaofIllusion wrote:@Mastin– Why don’t you ask grapes about his claimed Cop Event? I’d really like to see your take on what he claims to have.
There's are two problems with the idea that scum would have assumed skybird would be immune to an event based kill.In post 12112, grapes wrote:This was what I was trying to say before but couldn't put the words together the right way.In post 12076, mastin2 wrote:Bolding this. Skybird was in an alliance with Xkfyu. Skybird was thus supposedly immune to all actions.In post 8592, Varsoon wrote:If you ally with any player, you will learn if they are a Human or a Gem.
So long as you are allied with a player, you are immune to all actions.
Her allying with Xkfyu to save the life of the Foxbird/Twinwings/Shadow_step slot therefore makes sense:
One, she was considered confirmed town.
Two, even if not, she was far less likely to be shot.
And three,even if she was, there was cause to believe the shot would be wasted.
In fact, looking at the nature of the ability:Even if you conveyed the nature of the kill. Xkfyu paraphrasing to you, Almost50, and you paraphrasing to Reasonably Rational. This kill doesn't look like it would trump Skybird's immunity on the surface.In post 9107, Varsoon wrote:EPISODE EVENT: Exposition Only--Trigger any time a player successfully allies with you.
PRIORITY: 2
REQUIREMENTS: +2 Stress or higher.
You may immediately (privately) end your alliance to cause all players allied with you to publicly be removed from the game for an entire Episode.
You may privately decide to kill a single player that is removed in this way. They will die upon returning to the game.
Now, we happen to know in hindsight that yes it did. With Xkfyu's flip and Skybird's flip, we can see the verbiage that would allow it: she was removed from the game, and by being removed from the game, was therefore no longer in the alliance and therefore vulnerable. But that exact detail would have had to have survived the chain.
Tell me, Almost50. What EXACTLY did you tell RR?
Because if you didn't convey the ability in a specific phrasing...then yeah. Reasonably Rational could have assumed Skybird was immune to the kill. In fact! Reasonably Rational could have killed Yumespecifically so that Xkfyu would trigger and waste his event, on someone who would be immune to its effect. (Or so they would have believed.)
At the very least "THE THINGS A50 AND RR KNEW ABOUT WOULD MEAN THEY'D HAVE TO BE GAMETHROWING" becomes null and void, possibly more suspect for both of them depending on how you look at it. Like I want to find the post where skybird accepts the alliance and see if it looks cheeky or not. Will do that after I read up and post my almost-day2-analysis.