Mini 1863: Voting Mafia (Abandoned)

[BNL]

VOTE: TheMM
HURT: zefiend
HEAL: Not_Mafia

did you just HAMMER THE MM

wtf????

Kain, you're voting MM...

i know,, but Jason just hammered him without INTENT,, and The MM hasnt said anything,,

And in light of MM's scum flip, this looks really bad. This looked like scum trying to distance MM a bit, but didn't expect their buddy to be hammered so quickly.

[BNL]

VOTE: KainTepes
HURT: zefiend
HEAL: Secret Agent Jin

As much I don't like Zefiend, if Eggman's role works as zef theorised then he is conftown, so I'd rather not vote there.

[Secret Agent Jin]

Before i vote, lets theorize a bit. The no kill could have been one of three things.

1) If there is a JK/RB (idk if there is) they could have blocked the killer. I mean, that would help us a lot if they did but i rreally dont know.
2) A doctor could have saved the kill which would help us confirm the person they saved and themselves as town.
3) The mafia could have been absent at which point we look for the players that are offline for awhile or V/LA.

Let me say that this is not rolefishing, i dont want anyone to come forth with their role unless we can nail scum just like Eggman did.

I notice that Kain Tepes has seemed to be absent lately, maybe BnL is on to something. Kain Tepes does look scummy especially with the posts BnL quoted. I want more opinions on this before i vote obviously.

[Pine]

Kain seems to have a lurky scum meta.

I'mma be honest, I completely forgot about this game, given that D1 ended about five minutes after I replaced in. I haven't read yet. There are some other games demanding priority, but I'll be here reasonably soon.

[Gamma Emerald]

If we are to think the scum were absent both would have had to have been absent: usually scum can send actions for their partners.

[ɀefiend]

Scumpool is in BTD, Gamma, BnLp, Kain, and Pine.

This assumes that scum can't mask their vote to census taking ability in some way. If we are going with a "scum missed their NK" theory, then BTD+Kain makes the most sense. The problem is Gamma and BnLp being scumbutts. The most damning interactions indeed belong to Kain:

VOTE: Kain Tepes
HURT: BnLp
HEAL: zefiend

[Eggman]

@Eggman

Can you clarify (with the mod, if necessary) what your result actually means?

Nope. Explicitly says that I can't ask for what it means. But it looks like my deduction was correct.
I don't want to jump onto Kain just yet... let him "defend" himself and rest up a little.

[JasonWazza]

For anyone with issues to my hammer I didn't believe that there was any reason that result was anything but a half and it was 100% the best lynch to go with.

[JasonWazza]

Also now that i'm not on my phone, i also setup the votes in a way that only my personal thoughts for scum wagon's could have been lynched (Zefiend+The MM) instead of allowing the move of votes in a way that scum could manipulate a lynch onto someone else.

That said, given the info we have.

Vote (7) (HAMMER) - Drealm, Jin, Not_Mafia, Jason, The MM, Eggman, Zefiend

These are all confirmed innocent, or else we would have likely seen a 1 1/2 or something similar.

So myself, Jin, Not_Mafia, Eggman and Zefiend are all basically confirmed.

Scum is within {BTD, Bullet, Gamma, Pine, Kain}

Anyone voting outside these 5 is voting a confirmed town member, and anyone in this list should probably just mass claim (i'm willing to see a discussion on this though).

VOTE: Gamma
HURT: Pine
HEAL: Kain

[Eggman]

Just gonna be a little devil's advocate here: the number next to the target's name is how many players are voting that person. It does not reflect vote weights. So Jason's above post is wrong, albeit based on wrong logic.
Also, I think either Jin or Gamma is town, for no other reason than we already had a mafia double-half voter and Gamma seems to be able to double vote on his Vote tag. Jin has already claimed to have this role, too. I'll go back and reread Day 1 to see which one I like better.

VOTE: GammaVOTE:
HURT: Jin
HEAL: Eggman

[JasonWazza]

Just gonna be a little devil's advocate here: the number next to the target's name is how many players are voting that person. It does not reflect vote weights. So Jason's above post is wrong, albeit based on wrong logic.
Also, I think either Jin or Gamma is town, for no other reason than we already had a mafia double-half voter and Gamma seems to be able to double vote on his Vote tag. Jin has already claimed to have this role, too. I'll go back and reread Day 1 to see which one I like better.

VOTE: GammaVOTE:
HURT: Jin
HEAL: Eggman

I'm saying that from the information we got from the 1/2 that it's refering to vote weight, which means we lynched the scum on that wagon.

[Eggman]

VOTE: Gamma
HURT: Jin
HEAL: Eggman
Whoops, fixing that tag.
Ohhh, I get what you mean now. Never mind.

[ɀefiend]

@Ircher can BTD be prodded or replaced? I know this is a bastard game but that doesn't trump site-wide rules.

[BTD6_maker]

I was on V/LA during the whole of Day 2 (from the 26th of December to the 5th of January). Now I can catch up and post more.

[JasonWazza]

VOTE: Gamma
HURT: Jin
HEAL: Eggman
Whoops, fixing that tag.
Ohhh, I get what you mean now. Never mind.

Jin is confirmed town, stop voting him.

[JasonWazza]

Here's my opinion on what should happen.

a) Everyone in this group

{BTD, Bullet, Gamma, Pine, Kain}

Should mass claim.

b) Anyone not in that group should claim anything (without claiming their role) that might show how someone in that group is guilty or innocent.

[KainTepes]

SHOULD I CLAIM?????? I HAVE A FUN ROLE,,

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm not claiming until I see reason to trust you, Jason.

[JasonWazza]

Reason to trust me?

It wasn't my result, and it was accurate.

[Gamma Emerald]

What's your vote weight? I think there's a chance a scum voteless exists somewhere, and I don't like the rolefishing.

[JasonWazza]

I feel like if anything a voteless would be a town role, but regardless that is not my vote weight.

[Pine]

I have no intention to claim.

[Ircher]

@Ircher can BTD be prodded or replaced? I know this is a bastard game but that doesn't trump site-wide rules.

He was V/LA and the days ended pretty quickly.

[BNL]

@Eggman

Can you clarify (with the mod, if necessary) what your result actually means?

Nope. Explicitly says that I can't ask for what it means. But it looks like my deduction was correct.
I don't want to jump onto Kain just yet... let him "defend" himself and rest up a little.

Can you at least check if what you received was "0.5" or "1 or 2"?

[BNL]

I don't see a reason to massclaim, we are at 2v8 so we are far from lylo. Only better then or close to it, otherwise we're just giving free info to scum.