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VOTE: NeroShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
You're letting Titus win the game by herself.Good luck now I guess.You have no chance to win.~Tywin
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Titus you know I'm most likely shooting this, right?
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I've actually been pretty upfront about my reads, and they haven't changed much, despite how much you people are vomiting into this thread. Cloudkicker's ISO analysis provided a wealth of information, much of which you've largely ignored, that I'm standing by. Let's go back to this post:In post 3768, Alisae wrote:Pine. Do you have ANY Thoughts about what has been going on?
And what are your reads?
So there's the foundation to work from. Since posting this, we lost Cabd, Nos, and Mozamis, and Syryana was replaced by MasonGerry.In post 2791, Pine wrote:This is the Townbloc I'm seeing right now, by the way:
==Upstanding Citizens==
Pine - My role PM says so.
Titus - Solid Townread, supported by consistent attacks by by Cloudkicker
Cabd - Solid Townread, supported by clearing Titus. No reason to clear her or even claim if scum.
==Probationary Members==
Sonia - Interactions with Cloudkicker. See post 2301 for details.
Kyouko - Recent developments, gamesolving
Nero - Attacked consistently by Cloudkicker
Alisae - Attacked consistently by Cloudkicker, probationary due to possible (even likely) status as SK.
Gamma - Attacked consistently by Cloudkicker
That's 8/14 of the playerlist. Hunh. I've never been especially good at Townhunting, but this game seems like a bit of a perfect storm for it.
==Scumlist==
Tywin - I reread him, and the scumvibes are strong. The fact that he has pretty much gone to ground after the pressure lifted from him reinforces the notion that the initial scumread was sound, and all that AtE was an attempt to gain sympathy. Fire away, Alisae.
Mozamis - Explored elsewhere, mostly to do with disingenuous and inconsistent reads and justifications.
That leaves a remarkably small nullpile...
==Meh==
Elbirn & AJ - I keep getting these two mixed up. Neither has come off as Townish, but neither have they made any notable errors or slips. They could be scum playing it close to the vest or cautious Town. I don't know yet.
Nosferatu - Who? I looked this guy up, and his site-wide wordcount in the last ten days is smaller than this post alone. That suggests NAI lurker to me, and probably flake-bait. Complains about catching up difficulties. I can empathize with that to an extent, but come on, man. We're no longer at a 20-pages-a-day pace. Skim a bit. I won't shed any tears if he gets vigged, though I always prefer someone scummy to a lurker any day of the week.
Syryana - Again, who? I haven't interacted with this slot all game. I see a ton of fluff and nonsense in his ISO. Lots of memes, not a lot of scumhunting. Actually, he hasn't posted anywhere on site in a week.
@Mod: Can we get a replacement on Syryana? Or at least a fairly insistent prodding?
Okay, there are my thoughts. Some feedback and discussion would be appreciated. Apologies for multiposting, I know that makes me a hypocrite and I don't care.
I'd like to remind you that I caught what I think is a Towntell from Kyouko, here:
Other changes: Nero is looking scummier to me, especially with that move on Gamma. Gamma has moved down to nullish. Both of the TRs on them from Cloudkicker's ISO were pretty weak, as he was mostly just badmouthing Nero without voting, and voted Gamma without much conviction, only to hop off without much reason. Alisae...fuck, I don't know. If you're Vig, you'll get killed before too long. If you're nonBP SK, same. If you're alive near endgame, then we can afford to look at you again. Mostly, I find your playstyle repellent, and your reasoning childish. But whatever. Elbirn and AJ are still struggling to make a lasting impression on me, but what I've seen looks generally Townish. They deserve a reread of their ISOs.In post 2790, Pine wrote:Kyouko actually comes out of this with Townpoints. I figure a scum who spotted what they thought was a Mason crumb would just kill said person and be done with it, rather than try to publicly solve the game. Or at least they'd point out the crumb to their buddies in private and not share the observation with Town.
Seeing the VC, I'd prefer Tywin. I'm more certain of him.
VOTE: Tywin"Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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I'm willing to chalk it up to a "this game" problem, and give you a fresh slate elsewhere. W/e
Your reasons for TRing Tywin are stupid.
Do me a favor, and check Cloudkicker's ISO. Use CTRL+F and enter Tywin. Explain why Traitor Cloudkicker goes to the mat for Town!Tywin."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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OMG D2 I WAS LOOKING FOR THIS SHIT BUT I COULD NEVER FIND ITIn post 1842, CloudKicker wrote:Titus is town, tywin is town, aj looks town, sonia is gut town with pro reads that are just like mine.Sbm might be playing a great scumgame btw, elbirn looks town enough,gamma with the mason comment looks ridiculously town| here.GTKAS-
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what's your read on gamma.
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Ehh, okay, I could see GammascumIn post 3789, Alisae wrote:OMG D2 I WAS LOOKING FOR THIS SHIT BUT I COULD NEVER FIND ITIn post 1842, CloudKicker wrote:Titus is town, tywin is town, aj looks town, sonia is gut town with pro reads that are just like mine.Sbm might be playing a great scumgame btw, elbirn looks town enough,gamma with the mason comment looks ridiculously town"Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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In post 3769, Cephrir wrote:
I like how the same 4 players swing from one wagon to the next like it's nothing. Doesn't surprise me to see Alisae doing this because he always sheeps but really calls into question Aj/Tywin/Nero imo. 1 of these is scum surelyIn post 3622, Cephrir wrote:-
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Here's the way I see it.
CK was doing town things and dropping intentional traitor tells to drop some paranoia in the town. Whenever he got lynched or got killed in this case, it would make some of his TRs look really bad and some of his SRs look really good.
Sometimes with CK the way I see it you have to look at the bigger picture, and sometime you have to take things at face value. Like for example when he directly told Kyouko that traitors want to make themselves look obvious for their scumteam, and then votes Lapsa, or when he basicly claimed he was part of the mafia when he was fucking around with his signature. Him voting Lapsa and him saying that Traitors want to make themselves look obvious to their scumteam is basicly him claiming traitor because it was a counter claim to Lapsa's traitor.
CK give a TR on Titus, a TR on AJ. A TR on Tywin. These are all the people that Cloudie hoped we mislynch. Too bad we cleared Titus.
He gives Kyouko a scumread. A person we hoped we could dismiss as town.
He gives Elbrin a TR. I don't get this one.
He gives Gamma a TR. I think this TR is the real scumread. Also it's the very last read mentioned in that string. People read from left to right, so naturally people will go look at the first few TRs and go "Oh thats Cloudie's scummates." Basicly he hoped the Gamma read would be ignored completely.| here.GTKAS-
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Considering how similar the wagon on Gamma looks to the wagon on me I'd say he's pretty likely to be town since I'm town. If he's scum though it would be with Sonia or Pine I think just based on PoE after seeing how swiftly the wagon moved onto him. Don't think a block of 4 players with a scum blending in would move off of town!Kyouko to scum!Gamma. This is all based on *if* Gamma is scum though but I think it's more likely that based on how fast that wagon moved from me to him that there are scum in there just going along with the anti-Titus side of the town because Titus is conf. People shading Titus's conf status are pretty suspect too.-
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That's like...the opposite of the correct read. Everything you're saying presupposes that Cloudkicker knew he'd get killed early. He didn't. Planning for failure is not a productive strategy.Alisae wrote:Here's the way I see it.
CK was doing town things and dropping intentional traitor tells to drop some paranoia in the town. Whenever he got lynched or got killed in this case, it would make some of his TRs look really bad and some of his SRs look really good.
Sometimes with CK the way I see it you have to look at the bigger picture, and sometime you have to take things at face value. Like for example when he directly told Kyouko that traitors want to make themselves look obvious for their scumteam, and then votes Lapsa, or when he basicly claimed he was part of the mafia when he was fucking around with his signature. Him voting Lapsa and him saying that Traitors want to make themselves look obvious to their scumteam is basicly him claiming traitor because it was a counter claim to Lapsa's traitor.
CK give a TR on Titus, a TR on AJ. A TR on Tywin. These are all the people that Cloudie hoped we mislynch. Too bad we cleared Titus.
He gives Kyouko a scumread. A person we hoped we could dismiss as town.
He gives Elbrin a TR. I don't get this one.
He gives Gamma a TR. I think this TR is the real scumread. Also it's the very last read mentioned in that string. People read from left to right, so naturally people will go look at the first few TRs and go "Oh thats Cloudie's scummates." Basicly he hoped the Gamma read would be ignored completely."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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Now, let's look at this. We see Traitor Cloudie. Kyouko mentions some stuff about the Lapsa saying how Scum probably tried to stay off the Lapsa wagon. And Gamma is there. Cool. Cloudie effectively communicated to his scum team that he was the traitor.In post 2084, Cephrir wrote:Lapsa 9 (Pine, CloudKicker, Titus, Gamma Emerald, Lil Uzi Vert, ssbm_Kyouko, Cabd, Syryana, Alisae)
BUT WAIT ALISAE?!?!?! WHY WAS HE NK'D IF HE COMMUNICATED THAT OFF PERFECTLY?!?!?!
Becuase killing him would hopefully caused more mislynches.| here.GTKAS
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