emphasis added to explain why this drops tb even further into scumpit for meIn post 442, cassielle wrote:noobscum imo:
willpanic and flounder a bit.they dont have guidance until night-talk.
willlurk a lot.
are going to be self-analytical, watching their words, persona, actions, etc.
will tend toward posts with, low content, high word count.polished presentation
will flail with reads (massive back and forth).
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Creature :
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Ok this post was kinda tiring. I'll do Giga, and shade later. Still need more from shade to form a better opinion on him, but I will say that I read Giga as town for now. I'll explain on this later, but for now I'll just list player list in order from towniest to scummiest :
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Creature (top town partially because everyone reads him as town)
Gigabyte
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Gayreen
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What's the thought process though in spending time fetching a fancy format instead of talking about your scumreads?In post 524, ThinkBig wrote:Aeronaut and other people on the site use the colours for read list. I personally like the colour codes as it is easy to see visually where you put people.
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The beast has arrived.
I'm already on page nine, will be continuing my catch-up.“Trust is an orchid, beautiful but delicate, requiring ideal conditions in order to thrive. Without them, it dies.” - Dahrk (Arrow, Season 4)
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because i think its worth expanding on the polished presentation bit:
first impressions matter. rasks posts are high quantity, low quality, low content. at a simple glance they feel scum, theres a whole lot of posts that mostly dont say anything about the player. no matter what the content is, its going to be colore dby that first glance knee-jerk gut reaction, period.
on the opposite side of things, take gbT whose posts scream town: large, numerous, high in content, middle of the road quality (imo). at a glance you see those walls and you think "this has to be town" -- it took a very early and very unpopular interpretation of gbT's approach for me to recognize that it MIGHT not be town. everyone else is calling him obvtown. thats why first impressions matter -- you can look past the content to a certain extent because you have that vibe from looking at posts. this is also the basis of a lot of gut reads, even if the player isnt aware of it.
putting a highly polished sleek and visually well-designed (note: visually!!!) post out when youre under scrutiny is meant to deflect attention. it says "hey look im all cleaned up and my hairs nice". it wants you to go in reading it as town, because it looks nice.
unfortunately, more experienced players dont see "its sleek and nice looking", they see "its contentless and poorly thought out." thats why its not generally a scumtell outside noobscum -- it doesnt help anyones case and players who have been on the town side of it will recognize that. for experienced players its usually NAI because they just do it that way.
tb's use feels scummy, imo.
p-edit: ill devote a special post to you mbg. thanks for the big contribution, and no worries -- mafias for fun, if youre getting burnt out after a post then go take a break man haha
and hi grey! i look forward to your thoughts on who is town and who is scum when you have caught up-
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That seems to be the popular consensus.In post 239, mattblackguy wrote:mattblackguy - Town
GAYreenHamster - Town
Shade - Town
rakkar - Mafia
schadd_- Town
Raskolnikov (SE) - Town
ThinkBig (SE) - Mafia
gigabyteTroubadour (SE) - Town
Creature (IC) - Town
So did we win?
Why are your reads the popular consensus?“Trust is an orchid, beautiful but delicate, requiring ideal conditions in order to thrive. Without them, it dies.” - Dahrk (Arrow, Season 4)
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That's nice and all, but what has everyone else besides TB done to convince you they're town?In post 240, mattblackguy wrote:By the way, my previous post was 100% serious. I really do believe Rakkar, and ThinkBig are the mafia. Rakkar hasn't contributed anything to the game. He hasn't posted any opinions on anything that has gone on in this game so far, and hasn't posted any of his thoughts about the other players (who he thinks is town, who he thinks is scum etc.) I will not remove my vote from Rakkar unless he actually contributes something.“Trust is an orchid, beautiful but delicate, requiring ideal conditions in order to thrive. Without them, it dies.” - Dahrk (Arrow, Season 4)
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Not the popular consensus anymore. Ever since Cass has come in the town seems a little more split. Before we were basically circle jerking, reading each other as town, and reading the lurkers as scum. I'm glad we moved away from that, and think we're in a better state now.In post 534, -Grey- wrote:Why are your reads the popular consensus?-
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It was more so since I thought rakkar, and thinkbig was scum that everyone else had to be town (because of the rolelist). My thinking was pretty naive and noobess now looking back at it in hindsight. Honestly this is my first game, and I'm still trying to figure things out.In post 535, -Grey- wrote:That's nice and all, but what has everyone else besides TB done to convince you they're town?-
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WatIn post 299, Raskolnikov wrote:1. mattblackguy
2. GAYreenHamster
3. Shade
4. rakkar
5. schadd_
6. Raskolnikov (SE)
7. ThinkBig (SE)
8. gigabyteTroubadour (SE)
9. Creature (IC)“Trust is an orchid, beautiful but delicate, requiring ideal conditions in order to thrive. Without them, it dies.” - Dahrk (Arrow, Season 4)
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That's a deflection, not an answer. When you posted those reads, they were the popular consensus.In post 536, mattblackguy wrote:
Not the popular consensus anymore. Ever since Cass has come in the town seems a little more split. Before we were basically circle jerking, reading each other as town, and reading the lurkers as scum. I'm glad we moved away from that, and think we're in a better state now.In post 534, -Grey- wrote:Why are your reads the popular consensus?
Why?“Trust is an orchid, beautiful but delicate, requiring ideal conditions in order to thrive. Without them, it dies.” - Dahrk (Arrow, Season 4)
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ok, regarding mbg's big scumread list -- its largely similar to mine and creatures.
i follow the reasoning on gayreen even if i dont agree with it -- there a paranoia that stems from the inactivity, and i admit that is something i might have considered more, but to be fair, you have even fewer posts over all, what makes you more town here?
i keep saying it and its prob unnecessary but just in case: im not sharing more on my gbT reads right now. i appreciate it but for me, right now, gbT is someone who i dont care to hear anything about until they return to thread.
shade feels more scummy than gayreen or even tb imo. can i get the reasoning for him being above them? i guess another way to word this is -- what do you weight more when looking for scumreads? activity, content, tone, or gut? theres good reasons to reconsider shades placement based on some of those.
townreads mostly agreed as well. i feel like these are honest, but im curious about your personally rather low activity and shade's placement in list still -- its worth noting that shade and schadd are in standard scumbuddy territory on your list from where im sitting -- if you were scum, youd want them on weak townlean/nulltown read imo. they can benefit from any towncred you have and if you fall down and flip red its still not an immediate scumsign on them
p-edit: yeah more or less what mbg said, grey. tho im glad so glad you picked that up. i /sorta/ missed it other than feeling his reads were REALLY messed up, and creature caught it and nailed it down in the open. fortunately things have changed, but just catching that alone gives me a very light town read on you, like super nully nulltown (waiting on final catch up post to make decisions)
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Fair enough.In post 537, mattblackguy wrote:
It was more so since I thought rakkar, and thinkbig was scum that everyone else had to be town (because of the rolelist). My thinking was pretty naive and noobess now looking back at it in hindsight. Honestly this is my first game, and I'm still trying to figure things out.In post 535, -Grey- wrote:That's nice and all, but what has everyone else besides TB done to convince you they're town?“Trust is an orchid, beautiful but delicate, requiring ideal conditions in order to thrive. Without them, it dies.” - Dahrk (Arrow, Season 4)
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In post 539, -Grey- wrote:That's a deflection, not an answer. When you posted those reads, they were the popular consensus.
Why?In post 536, mattblackguy wrote:Before we were basically circle jerking, reading each other as town, and reading the lurkers as scum-
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If I saw what I thought I saw IRT Creature, that was really, really stupid.“Trust is an orchid, beautiful but delicate, requiring ideal conditions in order to thrive. Without them, it dies.” - Dahrk (Arrow, Season 4)
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So matt I think just has too much depth behind his posts for a scum newbie to reasonably fake.
185 I like how he seems like he has genuine trouble saying why he thinks giga is town (I think there are a lot of things you could make up if you wanted to as scum) and the apology at the end and kind of tone make me think he'd actually sincerely give more if he could. "wouldn't everyone claim vt d1?" is wrong though that's a side point.
I love 240 because he himself isn't satisfied giving a readlist and he wants to impact the game and actually have his thoughts get considered (it feels like, like he knows he's a newbie but really wants to be taken seriously?).
Unvote for rakkar replacement's fair and I find scum often have a compulsion to plopping their vote somewhere else after unvoting like that which wasn't the case.
Latest analysis I generally agree with aside from the read on yours truly (and also I'm having a lil bit of paranoia on an SE), though pretty much everyone seems to suspect me to some degree so it's awkward for me to judge.
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Many of his posts are pointless one-liners that have added nothing to the game, which is why I think just looking at total post counts is misleading. Also when gayreen was asked to explain, or take sides he wouldn't do it, but would still post those one-liners.In post 540, cassielle wrote:i follow the reasoning on gayreen even if i dont agree with it -- there a paranoia that stems from the inactivity, and i admit that is something i might have considered more, but to be fair, you have even fewer posts over all, what makes you more town here?-
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Ew.In post 367, mattblackguy wrote:Since Rakkar is most likely getting replaced later today I'll just drop my vote on him now, and see what the new person says.
Not a fan.“Trust is an orchid, beautiful but delicate, requiring ideal conditions in order to thrive. Without them, it dies.” - Dahrk (Arrow, Season 4)
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Hypocrite, thy name is matt.In post 369, mattblackguy wrote:Lastly it does seem to me that Gayreen is just following whatever you(Giga) say in an attempt to gain a town read from you.“Trust is an orchid, beautiful but delicate, requiring ideal conditions in order to thrive. Without them, it dies.” - Dahrk (Arrow, Season 4)
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And this was also a big reason why I dropped my vote. Seems like you're only reading half of my posts, and then taking them out of context.In post 367, mattblackguy wrote:Yeaaah. I'm reconsidering what I previously thought about Rakkar. Going back it seems like Rakkar is just a kid, and this game didn't turn out like he thought it would so he just disappeared.
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